High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

[Avarie-farstriders]

I want them to embrace nature magic more. Nightborne are visually similar in aesthetic to night elves while fitting in thematically with blood elves.

It would be nice if they went the same route with high elves.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

Many of these things have already been addressed several times though.

1. While this is true, and I can see the concern, alternating the model to make it look different does exist and can be expanded upon through lore and story development when made playable.

2. As stated above, when made playable as an allied race, the quest line to unlock them would be the means to which explain why and how they could be different and their story along the way. This is how it has been introduced to allied races before and can continue to be done this way.

3. While Void Elves exist, they do not embody the Silver Covenant or High Vale that we wish to play as. While the Void Elves fill the specific niche of being different, it does not fulfill the want to play the High Elves that never left the Alliance. It is for their story and lore they are asked for, as well as what they could be today in the world.

4. While High Elves and Blood Elves are the same people, they have tampered in magics much differently and have chosen different paths in different parts of the world. Explaining and fleshing these aspects out more would not only enhance the lore of both people’s, but define them even deeper. It would make sense because these things have been explained before but have been made not cannon do to it being the RPG. Blizzard has taken aspects from the RPG before and recannonized them, it can be done so with High Elves as well.

The answers are there, it’s just a matter of if they do it or not. I am personally all for it and will continue to ask.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

Many of these things have already been addressed several times though

Not in a way which resolves them. Acknowledging the issue is not the same as resolving it. Look, let’s hit your points one by one.

While this is true, and I can see the concern, alternating the model to make it look different does exist and can be expanded upon through lore and story development when made playable.

This is the issue with this point, and it largely ignored what I stated. The proposal of “well we can modify it” has already been fulfilled by void elves. That is what void elves are from a design perspective. An altered version of an existing model. If one can even call it that since its largely a re-skin in many ways.

As stated above, when made playable as an allied race, the quest line to unlock them would be the means to which explain why and how they could be different and their story along the way. This is how it has been introduced to allied races before and can continue to be done this way.

None of which would be satisfying in terms of lore, and you’re largely ignoring the context of most of the alliance races. For examples
LF dranei, maghar, HM tauren, are all shown to be different from the get go. This creates the established narrative that explains the difference from their parent race.
High elves don’t have any of this, because their story and origins are the same as blood elves, who are high elves under a different name. So you can’t alter your model, say you’re a high elf with the same origins as the blood elves, and then be true to the high elf story. It simply does not work in terms of justifying such design, nor does it provide good lore to explain it.

This is why your side is often criticized with “Lore matter until it doesn’t matter.”. Your entire proposition is basically to take the very lore you profess to enjoy, and toss it out. You can’t have it both ways without being a hypocrite.

While Void Elves exist, they do not embody the Silver Covenant or High Vale that we wish to play as

I get these are your motivations, but your motivations simply don’t address the design issues.

While High Elves and Blood Elves are the same people, they have tampered in magics much differently and have chosen different paths in different parts of the world. Explaining and fleshing these aspects out more would not only enhance the lore of both people’s, but define them even deeper

This would largely retcon the story about the high elf people entirely. The lore ha already established that the high elf peopl, both factions, are affected the same way by the same type of magic they use.
Let alone that the defining trait of the high elf/blood elf people is their connection to the sunwell. This has been affirmed after TBC, in Shadows of the Sun, and in other literature and storyline. Let alone that the prominent high elves such as Vareesa, have stated they look at Silvermoon as their home.

So the argument of them choosing different paths in different parts of the world doesn’t function. Particularly when many high elves live in Dalaran, which has had its relationship with SIlvermoon renewed in Legion, a place that has long history with the blood elf people since before they called themselves high elves.

Lore doesn’t function as a means of dealing with the design issues I outlined. It is an after the fact. “How do we justify what we are going to implement.” and not “How do we justify implementing this?”

[Leinadh-stormrage]

@Avarie-farstriders

I want them to embrace nature magic more. Nightborne are visually similar in aesthetic to night elves while fitting in thematically with blood elves.

It would be nice if they went the same route with high elves.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

They can do what they failed to do with Pandaren in a sense (not the same because Pandaren weren’t and aren’t actually divided like HEs and BEs are), but we can have two groups with a rivalry done right.

I too hope for this! I hope it can be done in a way that quells the arguments plotting to take Quel’thalas. And I do disagree on BEs in Horde though I think what makes the Blood Elves and High Elves interesting is how they carry pride, and they both fit with their respective factions in that regard, to me Alliance comes off a bit reserved and they think highly of themselves but it’s more reserved stoicism and it comes out in other ways. Where a lot of Horde races I vibe with more because their more outwardly prideful imo. That and also the Sylvanas / Forsaken tie in just fits and makes sense to me and I can’t speak for other BE players but I never got the sense from a Blood Elf player that they were unhappy or felt the story didn’t make sense.

But I do hope for your idea though my thoughts on having to appease the “Blood Elves make no sense on Horde crowd” is a bit different but at the end of the day that doesn’t matter so much, as we seem to be saying the same thing at the core of it.

I want them to embrace nature magic more. Nightborne are visually similar in aesthetic to night elves while fitting in thematically with blood elves.

It would be nice if they went the same route with high elves.

I have to say I never thought of it like this. I support Nightborne on Horde they just fit with Blood Elves. But putting it into perspective like this is very nicely said, I think that would highlight their differences and they have the same claim to Farstrider legacy as the Blood Elves so it’s not hard for me to picture them simply relying on that to come off more nature inspired, and a nice compliment to Night Elves and the Alliance!

[Kirela-arygos (Kirela)]

High Elves are not a “bite of the Horde” or whatever.
Their lore was tied to Alliance before the game launched, and High Elves were rolled out as Alliance NPCs on the first day.
They didn’t take High Elves and lump them in with Blood Elves since the eye color and the name, along with the story separation are all still there.
All it would be doing is correcting a mistake they made in TBC, so no it’s not taking from the Horde just because they rolled out a pretty race for that faction and the best they could do was Blood Elves.

Added: Void Elves ARE a bite of the Horde, so at least everyone can agree that was a mistake probably.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

You keep stating that Void Elves fulfill our request, yet we are still here and completely disagree with that premise, so then I’d say it really isn’t fulfill then considering Void Elves had nothing to do with what was asked for it the first place. Just saying it is fulfilled doesn’t and has not solved the issues. It isn’t just the alternate form being requested, it is the people themselves who are not Blood Elves, nor Horde in any aspect.

I haven’t ignored anything base on the Allied races, considering I never said “all of them” and only said that it has been done before. That said, LF Dreanei are infact Dreanei whom gone through an ritual to become Light Forged. And through stories such as these is exactly how they would tell the differences between High Elves and Blood Elves if they were made playable. The possiblity is there and can be done. The very fact that these Elves have taken a different path then the Blood Elves and their siphoning could be all that is needed to justify it. It’s really up to everyone’s subjective thought as to what is and what isn’t good lore to explain it. The lore does matter, but the fact that High Elves are largely put off as background noise and props by opposition simply shows who really doesn’t care about lore. It shows by saying “I’m taking the lore, and tossing it out.” That simply isn’t true when I am saying expand and explain on it and others are saying it doesn’t matter…

I understand how High Elves work. And while they are indeed connected to the Sunwell, it has already said they have found ways to survive without it before it was fix. It would make little sense for them to want to rely on something that has caused them so much strife before, so moving forward and taking a different path would logically make sense over all. They have stated that Silvermoon is their home, it will always be because that’s where she was born… That doesn’t stop people from leading a new life and taking a different path. It makes sense because they have chosen not to return home and join their people and keep their Alliance with the Alliance. Yes the Silver Covenant works out of Dalaran, but the High Elves reach expanded to Theramore, Stormwind, and the Hinterlands. These different places could have easily help cultivate a new way of living and culture while having to live amongst different people.

Lore can make a lot of things work in ways many of us don’t like. It’s happened before and will happen again. Liking it is simply subjective. Sure, there are reason why it should and shouldn’t be made playable, but I favor for rather then against… that’s my opinion alone.

[Kirela-arygos (Kirela)]

I understand how High Elves work. And while they are indeed connected to the Sunwell, it has already said they have found ways to survive without it before it was fix. It would make little sense for them to want to rely on something that has caused them so much strife before, so moving forward and taking a different path would logically make sense over all

Amen! Like why are Blood Elves letting them in and why are High Elves letting it be their crutch when the Blood Elves control it and they are the opposite faction?

Why did Lorthemar consider defecting to the Alliance if they are “such a core Horde race”?

Like… C’mon Blizz. You want to keep shoving this stupid faction war down the throats of players and ticking them off, but then you do a 180 in the most bizarre ways. Figure it out. Either there’s a bloody divide or there isn’t. Stop flip flopping.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Anyone who thinks void elves fulfill our request are unaware of what we want.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

You keep stating that Void Elves fulfill our request,

Let me stop you her. I did not state they fulfilled your request at any point. I stated that they fill the suggestion of modifying the mode.. From such a view point, void elves fill in this suggestion. I am not at all discussing how they fulfill your motives in anyway.

[Reyketti-dalaran]

there is more than one fun police person…im unfortunately aware.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

As opposed to the wangrod committee that digs up 20 day old posts to try and pick a fight because why?

[Valarían-hydraxis]

As opposed to the wangrod committee

Is this what you were referring to? It’s a loosely defined term that refers to someone who’s a jerk at the table. HAd to look that up BTW.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

I picked it up from a dnd dming youtuber as an appropriately safe for forums term for people being obnoxious. Now, I’m only guessing at what you’re trying to say here because damn I have no idea where that first sentence is coming from. But it seems to work well for someone who dredged up a 3 week old post just to sling mud at other people.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

This is false. When you made the list of 4 points prior to this you stated…

• It means the alliance gets a standard blood elf model (purple), and a new high elf model. Now you have two bites of what originally was playable on the Horde.
• A a result of number 1, you now have NPC’s who are of the same race as blood elves with a different appearance with no reasonable explanation that can be accepted from a design view.
• Void elves exist. If you want something that is a blood elf but different to be a high elf, then void elves fill in that niche.

Which implies why you said what you did in the first place. Whatever motives it may be, we already know that Void Elves look like Blood Elves but altered, were Blood Elves but altered, and share the exact same story as Blood Elves until they were altered. This is stating the obvious. So unless your just stating things just to say something, I’m not entirely sure where you’re getting at.

Void Elves are not the playable race requested and have nothing to do with what’s being asked for except by way of design, taking the same route to make more playable races.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

I picked it up from a dnd dming youtuber as an appropriately safe for forums term for people being obnoxious. Now, I’m only guess at what you’re trying to say here because damn I have no idea where that first sentence is coming from. But it seems to work well for someone who dredged up a 3 week old post just to sling mud at other people.

Actually i never heard the term til i looked up the definition thats what popped up, I was thinking though you meant a group of people since you added committee to it, thank you for Enlightening me where you picked it up from…

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

This is false. When you made the list of 4 points prior to this you stated…

You claim I made the statement that void elves fill YOUR request, you then quoted me, and then you argued nothing that demonstrated your accusation there of dude. Nothing in that quote supports your accusation.

Which implies why you said what you did in the first place

Where is the implication besides in your head? Moving on.

Void Elves are not the playable race requested and have nothing to do with what’s being asked for except by way of design, taking the same route to make more playable races.

I mean…its like I explained the entire thing and you behave as if it isn’t there. It does not matter if you wanted void elves or not, it is the fact they introduced another barrier to high elves. Whether you wish to acknowledge them satisfying you or not has nothing to do with the discussion. Period.

[Kirela-arygos (Kirela)]

wangrod committee

youtuber as an appropriately safe for forums term for people being obnoxious.

Technically any insult is against the forum rules because one is supposed to be courteous and respectful to fellow players here. So there really isn’t any way to “safely” call someone a jerk.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Then a whole lot of people need to change their tune if that’s the case.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

I never said “mine” I said “our” indicating more then 1.

By saying “Void Elves fill in that niche” you are implying the Void Elves are the answer to what has been asked for. It’s not arguing nothing when it is you that said it.

You have explained your position, and I have explained mine. Where you see a barrier, I see a pathway to making great things. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this.