No, it doesnât. It just treats the situation from a gameplay perspective, not a lore one. That is what I mean. Not giving a race to the opposite faction because you just âdonât want both to have the same toyâ has nothing to do with lore.
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The developers are very mixed on the issue, Ion is all-in on being with the anti side but there are some that have expressed support for Alliance High Elves on twitter before.
I will try to look for it later but I definitely still recall it.
By that logic so should the Void Elves, because they really are just Blood Elf Shadow Priests with simple altered skin color, arguably they even hurt the narrative even more for Blood Elf fans that wanted their TFT pre-Sunwell characterization to come back where they were ruthless mana vampires willing to do whatever it takes to survive and trafficked with darker magic only for Blizzard to pull the rug from under them and turn them into Holy Light Crusader Elves that expel such vileness.
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Itâs the creators of the game itself, therefore Itâs lore and gameplay. They are the ones that literally created the game. Saying âNo, what the people who created the game are saying is wrong and not rightâ is childish at best.
Nope, but the developers saying âThis is how it isâ is how it is. They never said the specific reason they canât be on the alliance is because theyâre on the horde, they said âIf you want to play that race and fantasy, you should play hordeâ meaning theyâre on the horde and arenât going to be on the alliance.
Yeah Iâd definitely like to know if itâs an internal debate, cause Iâm only aware of the lead developer saying what he did.
It definitely was. I was upset about it and still am. They didnât even change anything about them other than like you said, their skin color and hair color. Itâs ridiculous.
Individual developers can feel how they want. But the lead developer and the official stance is that if you want to play a high elf, you play Horde. This has been reinforced repeatedly. Doesnât matter if you like it or not, he and apparently others that get to make the decisions donât share your view on it and theyâre continually doubling down on theirs.
But, yeah, theyâre totally heads over heels rushing to add alliance playable high elves and yet everything they do counters it. lol
Letâs ask them in another Q&A for them to repeat, AGAIN, what pro ally elfers wonât listen to. Thatâll show them!
Iâm not saying that, stop reaching.
Alliance High Elves are not viable for gameplay reasons, though, because they are already playable as Horde. This does not invalidate that Alliance has lore to support the same race⊠But they are not getting it, because a playable instance of this race is already there on the red side.
Unless they change their minds, of course. But again, itâs an executive decision, not something that would need to be written in the lorebooks like the Void Elves were.
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There are some of us who support the idea of High Elves having a more unique posture and skeleton to go along with being made playable, Iâd even go so far as to say that I think most of us would even have been fine if they had been altered from being High Elves but not in the form of Void Elves, but something else that still respects the original classic themes of the race.
The big problem with Void Elves is they donât respect or recall back to the original lore of the classic loyal High Elves, they are just Blood Elf turncoats with not really any significant characters to their name, just except Alleria who isnât really like them as they were introduced and shares none of their actual characterization which are a bunch of insane Void cultist elves. I think it would have helped a lot more to have High Elves become something new, but actually have all the characters that we did quests for and saw in several towns (yes, High Elves HAVE towns and settlements, contrary to what Ion says) and have them develop into something else while still respecting their traditions of old.
Blizzard even tried to write the Void Elves as being Alliance loyal all along but it feels forced and manufactured, because it was never in their writing when we did the questline to unlock them. It was never something they expressed and they never would have stayed in Silvermoon if that was the case.
Well Iâm certainly glad youâve expressed your sheep-like mentality to me, buying their word so instantly and not questioning it. I can only hope they donât make a decision you personally disagree with as Iâm sure that would be a very uncomfortable situation for yourself to be in, being disillusioned is never a fun experience after all.
Who says I am convinced of this? I am cynical on the matter, if anything, does not mean I donât still think Void Elves are terribly implemented and poorly contrived as a concept and that detail is very important in the High Elf discussion as well because part of why this issue exists is because of Blizzardâs haphazard way of introducing them.
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I canât hold all these generalizations! Quick, someone help! This man thinks that just cause I agree on this topic I agree with all things Blizzard!
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Youâre using that word, I donât think it means what you think it meansâŠ
Lead devs can change. Especially when their boss notices they make the customers unhappy.
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So you know exactly the ratio of happy to unhappy people of these decisions? How many upset players will there be or do they not matter?
Things can change that much is true, but Ion said you can be a blood elf, too.
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Activision tends to be pretty choppy. Itâs just how they handle things. When exactly theyâll say âenoughâ with Ion is a really good question. But he wonât be lead dev. forever. No one will; and his successor might think differently about the issue.
That said, he likely wonât get axed over blood elves, but he might get axed over unpopular end game mechanics.
What Iâm trying to say is, Blizzard is a corporation now, for real. What the project manager says only matters as long as heâs project manager, and no one stays in charge of a project forever. They either get promoted on or laid off. So, his opinion is, to me, just that: His opinion. I donât care about it. Heâs not setting the course for Warcraft beyond his tenure and his tenure is going to be finite.
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Good. Not because the dudeâs opinion on High Elves but because of how clueless he is with everything else other than raid and dungeon encounters. He shines on raid encounters and stuff alike. That is what he is good at. He is not good for/ passionate enough for the other stuff it seems. As he doesnât understand it sadly.
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My #1 problem with the dude has never been his incorrect and lore-ignoring views of the nuance of the races of his own game.
Itâs the fact that heâs made such a bore out of one of my favorite games.
Classes are abysmal
Borrowed power/Mission tables
GCD changes
Pathfinder is one of the biggest ball drops this game has ever had which leads to the next other biggest ball drops in Time-gating content.
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Not as many as you believe and not to the level that theyâll quit WoW over and with the Horde consistently and constantly getting everything they ask for, I donât see how making them possibly unhappy once, would ruin the game for them.
Not even the self-describe antis will leave en mass if High Elves were implemented into the game. Itâs not realistic to believe that.
What Blizzard stands to gain is a huge moral boost for the Alliance that desperately needs it and the usual boost in sales thanks to an addition of an actual popular and requested race.
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So, you have no evidence of any of this and canât imagine a scenario where itâs bad?
I donât think thatâs an honest angle. Thereâs people who would be quite happy of both outcomes and to claim that the numbers are on their side feels like a slippery slope.
But Iâm sure that nothing bad would happen with their additionâŠsince were that true there wouldnât be all these threadsâŠ
Iâm personally just grateful blood elves are getting the optimization. I know itâs going to make some people upset but it will also make some happy. Iâm also happy itâll essentially be over.
Kind of like taking elves that were once High Elves and letting the Horde play them so they had a pretty race is a slap to the face to the Alliance?
The devs have said several things and then ended up changing their minds later, so it is never a case of âthis is how it isâ.
I donât remember this part. Ion just said some silly thing about blonde elves or whatever.
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Not really, because again, itâs unrealistic to expect a massive hit in horde numbers if high elves were implemented, this game isnât 2 or 3 expansions in anymore, itâs 7 about to be 8 expansions in, any settled in Horde players will not be so outraged that they will quit the game all together.
I think youâre under the incorrect assumption that Blood elf customization ends the High elf request: it doesnât.
Blood elf customization is just that, Blood Elf customization, that doesnât make Blood Elves our Alliance High Elves and that doesnât magically kill off all remaining High Elves in the Alliance, the request lives on, sorry.
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I mean, you can hold your breath and wait for things to happen butâŠyouâre not an undead.