Yes, because the purple elves got their entire model modified to be totally different.
with one elf they changed the color, the other they change the model
fair fair.
They want to have blood elf skin tone to pretend be legolas and the high elves in the story they crated in their heads, because most of then don’t accept nothing that is not an white and blond elf. Perhaps you should rethink your stance.
because it literally does, is the same elf in both factions.
Thats exactly what it means hurting the factions, splitting their lore and blurring the factions.
Elves are not more special than other races to get this treatment
which means we don’t need another.
High elves are literally the opposite of variety, because they are exactly the same race as blood elves,
That’s not true at all, they’re already different factions, embracing that just embraces the faction divide. You’re talking about a racial divide by having that race on two different factions which has already happened.
It’s not blurring anything, it’s further enforcing that there is a reason to be on those factions. That’s what factions are.
We’ve already got his with other races as well. Humans/Forsaken.
Nightelves/Nightborne.
Same race…different faction groups.
They’re not, there’s plenty that could be customized to make them a bit different. They’re also extremely politically different and that’s what you all seem to complain about the most. There’s this huge faction divide that you keep claiming will somehow blur the lines when it emphasizes them.
Ok got it you admit you are against racials skin tones you are not good for this conversation, you don’t want people to be diverse with the race they pick so ya you can stop now. No one wants your kind of people.
a unimportant group who is not playable doesn’t matter in the big picture.
pandaren case was an exception, and a bad one, blizzard regrets and see how bad it is, just look how their development and lore is stagnated in limbo, simple don’t work.
nope it doesn’t, those little political things are not the focus on this game, but race fantasy and thematics.
To make with one they would make with all of then, and the game would be a mess
And even by that that reason you already have void elves, just like undeads and nightborn you mention, “same race different groups”
they are exactly the same? no, they are different in both model and thematic
they are exactly the same? no, they are different in both model and thematic
the undeads and humans are the same race but in completely different states, completely different thematic.
Night elves and nightborne are not even the same race anymore.
They are, explained a hundread of times, ingame and by the devs
they already did that, void elves.
that is not the reason of the complain
All the complain about void elves is they do not are white and blond like lotr elves.
yep im against VOID elves getting skin tones of blood elves.
people can be diverse with lots of diversity with different void customization, more void skin tones, more void hair, more void eyes, and etc.
Yeah, it’s like people are saying that faction ideals are too weak that we have to rely on racial segregation.
If the factions are important and strong enough to stand on their own, it shouldn’t matter what race goes what side. It’d be about the ideals of the side they choose.
If some humans wanted to go horde and be playable, sure.
I mean at this point it makes a lot of sense. How many times have we now fought alongside the other faction?
During legion we were working alongside them all the time. To think friendships weren’t formed would be silly.
Allowing people to quest and adventure with their friends regardless of faction makes sense.
To think that some people would prefer the ideals of the other side and
want to change makes sense.
Wasn’t Lor’themar even looking to have the blood elves rejoin the alliance in the story at one point?
Seems like the Tauren would be pretty friendly with them as well.
Eh, They’re both Thalassian, but they’re very different political groups, which is what factions are.
Alliance allied high elves have been there for centuries/millenia.
but those are what keep being made playable.
It’s exactly wht void elves were. Mag’har were the same.
Small groups that are made playable. The story is what makes them important. The Silver Covenant has been included in the story many more times than most other allied races.
Who said anything about pandaren? Blizzard hasn’t said anything about regretting it. That comment comes from a former employee after he left the company. He didn’t like the idea.
These little political things aren’t the focus of the game? that’s exactly what factions are…I mean I agree. I think the factions are stupid at this point and take away from the game. But they keep shoehorning them in.
We should be focusing on the bigger picture and not infighting.
Same thing can be done with High Elves and Blood elves if that’s actually needed, but we already have playable blood elves on the alliance, so why not just tweak them a bit and give them their own customization options/racials and such. Easier than taking a bunch of extra time and resources to make them even more unique. Could certainly be done though.
So you’re saying if they could make the High model more different, you’d back the idea then? They’re already thematically different, you’re just saying they need to visually look different more? Do you have any suggestions about how to achieve this?
I’ve suggested using the Talendrion fanmade version, it uses nightelves as the base with a high elf head. Give them blue tattoos and such…maybe a different idle stance.
Same can be said of the High Elves and Blood Elves.
All I’m taking from this is the horde isn’t strong enough to stand on it’s own by it’s ideals were high elves made playable on the alliance. I disagree as I play both sides and I fully support High Elves for the alliance. They’ve been part of it for ages so it’s high time they be made playable.
Same should be done for San’layn. They were trying to get into the horde and were even sacrificing themselves to help the horde, the troll guy (I can’t think of his name at the moment) should totally sponsor their induction at this point.
Agreed, it makes nose sense. Those tones need to go to playable high elves
Here’s a hypothetical. Instead of fighting against the inclusion of playable high elves, let’s play a little game…
Pretend High Elves were announced as being made playable for the Alliance.
What would you want to see to make them visually distinct from the already existing Blood Elves? What would you hope they would do to set them apart? What would you like to see?
Never saw people saying that, factions are much fine to me the way it is.
no thanks, i like how the game it is, and i on’t see the reason to put in the dumpster all wow lore just to alliance pretend they are legolas.
they being different groups was never the point.
because one, they became relevant, adn two, they are not in the opposite faction.
little political things in the same race? no
factions was all about different races fighting each other, since warcraft 1, there is no reason to change that.
And the same thing was already beind done, void elves.
they already did, void elves.
high and blood elves ahve the same thematic, the generic high elf elf in fantasy, fair skin, blond, “majestic”, ranger, mages. this thematic is already playable,
not enough, you can also put a blue tatto on a blood elf
the difference should be bigger than a mere posture.
It can’t, because again, they are the same race with the same thematic, the only difference is their faction alignment, and this matter little cause is already fulfilled with void elves.
straw man
they didn’t, and they are already playable in horde 13 years ago.
the point of the high elf story was leaving the alliance and changing their names, they are the future of the high elf story, not the ones in the alliance.
no? they didn’t? they only come with Sylvanus because she need more evil people like her, those are wicked people who kil his own subordinates to have sustenance, they are evil and do not belong in the horde
nope, not going to fall for that.
fel nuke in Dalaran so the silver covenant become green-skinned fel elves.
they did this exact thing with void elves and i wouldnt change it
but they wanted a void race and saw an opportunity to settle this request. with void elves they knocked out 2 birds with 1 stone as they say and kept the factions distinct
you guys are never getting high elves unmodified because thats what blood elves are, the high elves
So they aren’t aloud to have the same skin tone as the Void elf faction leader? Now that just seems silly you have a very weak argument for this. You are in fact against players wanting to be black elfs for no reason you only want them to be purple. Bad bad bad
You are infact against them and actually most races have the same tone as there leaders, Sylvanas is a unique case. Who btw isn’t even the leader anymore. So it seems you can’t hold that argument up. You are telling me every single void elf is purple because they aren’t its a small portion. If Blood elfs can be black brown pink purple w/e now then Void elfs who are the same race can also be black brown white purple pink etc. If you have an issue with that then you have an issue with all the races getting new skin tones. It is important to be fair and impartial as a company that is trying to make the game and races feel more Diverse then this would also include all races to have a bit more skin tones. But no you don’t want that for no real good reason.
See, the thing is lore is always changing, but you’re also ignoring the lore. There’s been elves allied with humans for centuries. The High Elves owe their survival to the humans as well. When they first arrived in the Eastern Kingdoms, it was the early humans who helped them adapt and survive.
That’s entirely the point. They’re different factions. People just want to be able to play as the elves that have been allied with humans for a very long time. Elves have been living in Dalaran with humans for a very long time.
They are in the opposite faction. People just want to play them.
It’s just like the forsaken elves or the San’layn. One group already exists in the horde and the other was trying to join it. People want to play both very much and I fully support it. Ogres as well.
I’ve yet to see a group that I won’t support becoming playable.
Sure, some don’t make a lot of sense, but the story can be made to support it. The lore and game is ever evolving.
Two groups of the Thalassians are alliance and that’s a little political thing? That should be something embraced and built off with the story of the game.
We’re not talking void elves. We’re talking about playable high elves.
You’d be okay with them being playable if they looked more different from Blood Elves?
But making them purple is enough?
So? 13 years isn’t much compared to centuries/millennia of living alongside humans.
They were looking for a home and Sylvanas was giving them an opportunity. What did they do that was evil? They were supporting the horde. Dreven sacrificed undead soldiers of Sylvanas to further her own goals. That kind of thing has been a hallmark of the horde for a long time. I’m curious to see if it continues with Sylvanas leaving.
So you’d rather be negative instead of thinking positive and trying to suggest ways to improve the game and allow people to have what they want? You can’t suggest ways to make it work? Only fold your arms and say “No!”?
It worked out well, they’re popular, but they’re still not the High Elves that people are wanting to play. They’re not the group of elves who have been friends and allies of the humans for ages, who didn’t abandon them.
Blizz saw something they thought was cool and added it.
There’s still plenty of room for other races people want…all the races people want.
I’m fine with high elves being modified if they are still the high elves people want. It’s the lore and story, not so much the look.
Void elves don’t have any of this, only the look, but made purple.
I’m not even sure if I’d play a High Elf, but I fully support the idea of playable high elves as it’s long over do and the lore fully supports it.
It also strengthens the faction divide that people want so much.
Don’t try too hard with those two, they’re active and lore-ignoring trolls, I’ve told them everything you’re telling them with in-game examples, they simply ignore it for their own biased and horde-centric point of view, even when it clashes with what is fact in game.
I already discredited the orc in another thread so he ran to this one.
Sure seems that way, I mean I don’t mind being horde centric, and allowing the alliance High Elves to be playable just helps the story. You can play more off the division of the Thalassians. Add to the faction divide, play off the ideals that one side embraces and the other opposes.
Currently the faction divide doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, it’s been an extremely weak part of the story and we just had an expansion focused on it that wasn’t real well received.
I’d much rather have had the factions play a backseat and have focused much more on N’zoth and his rise to power. Getting a single patch of the real old god themed stuff was a let down. Ny’alotha could have been a few zones like Argus.
What’s sad is there’s probably races he’d love to see playable and I’d fully support those as well because I know lore exists or can be made to exist to make it work. Anything is possible. Give people what they want and they’ll play more. Subscribe longer. It’s better for the game.
Even when they do, it can change later.
Classic was repeatedly said no to, but has worked out quite well and I’m sure they’re making a lot of money off it.
The same thing can be done with giving people the races they want to play.
It will always be a maybe because they don’t want peeps going “Blizzard lied to us”. So it will be a maybe. Some maybe’s are less likely than others. High Elves are one of those less likely maybe’s imo. And that is a good thing.
this isnt true tho. high elves teamed up with humans for the troll wars. then cut ties immediately after. even the second war, they were the last kingdom to join and only after they got attacked themselves did they fully commit. they even initially refused sending a token force after a blood oath was invoked. and ofc as soon as they could, they pulled out of the alliance and secluded themselves to quel’thalas and dalaran after the second war
and then in third war, the prince of lordaeron nearly wiped them out and destroyed their kingdom. prince kael tried to work with them but look how that turned out
