High Elf compromise

[Kalzhun-thrall]

@Huntillia-proudmoore

Seems like a win win to me.

I posted about that a while back and people called me a High Elf fanboy.

[Mkali-thrall]

I mean, if Horde got Saberon (same animations as Worgen) I wouldn’t complain.

[Amorallus-area-52]

Right. Not to argue much more but it comes down to preference on our part, pro-Helf Velf.

It’s just something that doesn’t break lore and it will please people without hurting anyone else except those who “prefer it not”. Why people “prefer it not” when it comes to Velfs getting Helf options is something I understand but think is selfish. I just can’t help but SEE the anti-black Belf logic going into it sort of. Keeping the idea of a fair skinned aesthetic in the Horde and argueing about the implication of this from Blizzard’s perspective. I don’t think Blizzard is trying to do that.

Imagine if Velf light tones happen. There is no betrayal because Blizzard didn’t say that the fair skinned elf is exclusive to the Horde.

They just didn’t want to give the Belf Model straight up to the Alliance because that’s silly. So giving Helf options doesn’t go against what Ion said there when he said Blood Elves are High Elves.

The context is the straight model. Not the fantasy.

Giving Velfs earthy options while still keeping them noticeably different as Velfs is not going to break any promise they made or go against what they stated.

I’m stating my preference. Not trying to argue.

[Amorallus-area-52]

@Mkali-thrall

I mean, if Horde got Saberon (same animations as Worgen) I wouldn’t complain.

Worgen and Undead didn’t get an Allied Race yet. I’m pretty sure they’ll do what Elves did. Swap models for the factions.

Give the Alliance Lightforged Undead and give the Horde Saberon, so both factions get the models like they did with Night Elves on the Horde, Nightborne, and Blood Elves on the Alliance, Void Elves.

On top of this Lightfoged Undead and Azeroth Saberon both came into existence during BFA. It’s so damn clear honestly and it fits too well with the fact Worgen and Undead haven’t got their ARs yet.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

@Amorallus-area-52

Keeping the idea of a fair skinned aesthetic in the Horde and argueing about the implication of this from Blizzard’s perspective.

Then replace fair skinned with human equivalent skin. Only because that has been what is available to them by this time and that was the term used by a WoW dev to describe high elf skin tones in the past.

@Amorallus-area-52

Imagine if Velf light tones happen.

They do have some very pale options.

@Amorallus-area-52

I don’t think Blizzard is trying to do that.

I think that they want to keep player options between the factions distinct and want to preserve faction identity. I think that was the whole point of Void Elves. They were a way of providing high elves to Alliance players without violating that game design philosophy. Giving them human equivalent skin would render that pointless. Allowing Void Elves to look like Blood Elves would violate that philosophy.

I’m sorry, I don’t quite know what “straight model” or “earthy options” mean.

[Amorallus-area-52]

@Hecatone-burning-legion

They do have some very pale options.

I meant earthy natural tones. Like the “Alleria” treatment. My bad.

@Hecatone-burning-legion

I think that they want to keep player options between the factions distinct and want to preserve faction identity. Allowing Void Elves to look like Blood Elves would violate that philosophy.

Which is why I still want Velfs to be unique. I think a middle ground would be to give them only earthy skin tones, but not make their hair or options go too far from being Velf.

A Velf should always look like a Velf. Just give them some lesser Velf options is all. Not straight up Alleria makeover, but just enough to please people who want to play a more natural High Elf look on the Alliance.

In transmog anyways you can’t tell either way. The model is the model.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

@Amorallus-area-52

In transmog anyways you can’t tell either way. The model is the model.

That’s not the greatest point to stress when arguing that they need certain skin tone options.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

@Amorallus-area-52

Only one of those terms are a name for a race. The other 2 are factions/nations of that one race.

No, that’s not accurate. All three names represent subfactions of the High Elf race - that’s the whole problem with playable Alliance High Elves.

We’re not asking for the general, standard High Elf race, we’re asking for the specific group of Thalassian elves that either were exiled by Lor’themar for being vegan or were always Alliance aligned and rejected the Blood Elf way, and who willingly decided to continue naming themselves High Elves. We even have Highvale elves who stopped practicing magic altogether - people can’t possibly say that they are the same as Blood Elves culturally speaking.

If Blizzard had given this specific group of elves another name instead of High Elves (dunno, “Silver Elves” for example), devs would better understand what we’re asking for.

[Powercrystal-faerlina]

@Leinadh-stormrage

If Blizzard had given this specific group of elves another name instead of High Elves (dunno, “Silver Elves” for example), devs would better understand what we’re asking for.

To be fair, I have trouble imagining that people truly have issues with knowing what you’re talking about. I always assume the “Blood Elves are High Elves” People are just trying to annoy/spite you. Though it is true that High Elves are an objectively, bad race.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Leinadh-stormrage

We’re not asking for the general, standard High Elf race, we’re asking for the specific group of Thalassian elves

Great, when blizzard start doing, “allied groups”, or introducing “new groups”, and not allied races or new races, you can ask for that!

@Leinadh-stormrage

devs would better understand what we’re asking for.

And you think they don’t know? you think they are nto awere by those hundread of spam threads?

they are very aware, but again, they do not introduce new groups, they introduce new races, the core thing about a faction game.

The race is already playable, it doesn’t matter if there is a group of then in the alliance.

[Objectíon-thrall]

Just wait 3 years, and I expect we’ll have the Horde and Alliance combined into a single faction.

Then all the Sylvanas Loyalists and Tyrande Loyalists will have a second and third faction to keep on killing peeps and going to war.

[Astrius-dalaran]

The compromise was void elves, and there is no alternate universe in which that wasn’t.

High Elves on the Alliance in the full expected appearance is no compromise, it’s full terms. Demanding. Even in the form of void elf skins.

It’s now concluded, ride the ride.

[Huntillia-proudmoore (Huntillia)]

@Aalis-thaurissan

There are NO MORE high elves

I’m confused. Aren’t there High Elf NPCs on the Alliance side? No High Elves from a political or culture standpoint?

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

@Syegfryed-tol-barad

And you think they don’t know? you think they are nto awere by those hundread of spam threads?

The devs surely know, but it appears they’re not understanding what folk are asking for.

They gave us blood elves infused with the void. Don’t get me wrong that’s neat.

But folk wanted high elves. It wouldn’t have been hard to have Alleria gather up the SC and other small high elven bands supporting the Alliance. Or for the elves studying the void to have been from that stock.

Also while the void is cool and all, a lot of high elf fans are more into the nature aspect of high elves. Hunters, maybe shaman and druids if they could wing it. Folk also want their pallies.

Void elves close off most of those options, and again. They’re Blood Elves who are now traitors twice over.

For a compromise Void Elves are kinda far off the mark. It’s no wonder folk still ask.

[Lovefool-alterac-mountains (Lovefool)]

@Astrius-dalaran

High Elves on the Alliance in the full expected appearance is no compromise, it’s full terms. Demanding.

And they aren’t going to do it.

[Huntillia-proudmoore (Huntillia)]

No it’s the compromise. Full terms would be requesting a new race named High Elves for the Alliance.

[Astrius-dalaran]

No, it’s getting a 100% completion bonus to your already infringing void elf compromise package.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

@Astrius-dalaran

void elf compromise package.

Which was a far off the mark compromise.

(see my post a tad above from here.)

[Astrius-dalaran]

Nope, it’s a compromise. Half and half. You get a Thalassian, and we don’t get our entire appearance ripped from us. Accept it or keep campaigning on the forums for something guaranteed to not happen, guaranteed in about three separate ways.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

@Fezzy-draenor

They gave us blood elves infused with the void. Don’t get me wrong that’s neat.

But folk wanted high elves. It wouldn’t have been hard to have Alleria gather up the SC and other small high elven bands supporting the Alliance. Or for the elves studying the void to have been from that stock.

Also while the void is cool and all, a lot of high elf fans are more into the nature aspect of high elves. Hunters, maybe shaman and druids if they could wing it. Folk also want their pallies.

Void elves close off most of those options, and again. They’re Blood Elves who are now traitors twice over.

Can you tell me that these slight changes would have been unacceptable?

The things that high elf pros wanted and what they got are ridiculously far from one another.

I can see why they ask and are often touchy about it.