High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Reginageorge-moon-guard]

the void elves are the compromise. horde didnt want to share the model. anything further would have given you exactly what you wanted, a light skinned and majestic elf which we were told IS a blood elf and already a playable option available to you. that a tiny minority werent going to accept them is just tough and something they accepted. given the fact you play them and they are the most popular AR by far says they are a success

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

But I didn’t specify that it was a compromise for people who wanted High elves because of lore, I specified that it was a gesture of compromise.

It’s not pointless simply because it didn’t fit your example of a compromise for what you wanted

Then pray, what’s the point of claiming that Void Elves were a compromise for people that wanted an elf, any elf, on the alliance…

In the High Elf Allied Race thread?

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

I agree that Male Void Elves are the only way to play a Pretty Elf Boy in the Alliance, because male Night Elves are just disgusting, and now seeing how they look in the Warcraft 3 reforged makes me depressed about the WoW’s Male Night Elves.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

because male Night Elves are just disgusting

How dare you

[Firewoman-spirestone]

She’s not wrong.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

Did you or did you not state that clearly the NPC had a story or explanation prior to the tweet when the tweet does not say that? It said they want to let stories happen in game and not through a tweet or whatever. I pointed out that does not mean that there was a story before said tweet. I haven’t heard him mentioned from a book or a comic or anything outside of WoWpedia where he is just listed as an NPC. For all we know they are coming up with something as we speak, but that doesn’t mean it was there before. Hence, my comment about him probably being a random character that no one even noticed since this High Elf allied race idea was born.

He clearly did have a backstory if Danuser had to make the choice between explaining it in the tweet, or in-game in the future, otherwise he wouldn’t have made that choice clear in the tweet itself. It’s YOU that’s assuming that somehow my tweet inspired him to write up a whole new story for a character YOU assume he didn’t even realize existed until he googled him.

I really doubt they created him, gave him a unique name, and then added him in two entirely different expansions if no one knew who he was, or even remembered his existence. Clearly someone did remember him, and according to Danuser he did knew who he was, and he does have a background, assuming anything else is completely speculation.

The only confirmation was that the NPC was acknowledged and may have something coming up. It doesn’t state anything about something prior to that.

It’s confirmation that he is a character a lead narrative designer was already aware of, that he wasn’t some NPC with a mistaken model that no one knew existed.

Except it was in response to a question about High Elves, not just about allied races in general.

Except he was just talking about how blue eyes for blood elves was possible before saying “Anything is possible” referring collectively to anything, even things related to other ideas.

Did you not specifically quote it and respond? It wasn’t lumped in with any other quote.

It was in a response I was responding to, if it were the only thing you said I likely would have just tossed it up to you being resentful and immature.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

She’s not wrong

How dare you

is this now the Night Elf male slander thread? For shame.

[Firewoman-spirestone]

Ah…well sorry I guess it really is a subjective opinion.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

Ah…well sorry I guess it really is a subjective opinion

Lol but for real, I do have my issues with the NE model, but I’m shook that some people dislike them so much!

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

is this now the Night Elf male slander thread?

Your words, not ours.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

I was responding to a comment that was stating that since the alliance got void elves, High elves was likely off the table. I was responding that I agreed, and that void elves were likely the compromise for the High elf requests in the past, not that it was answer for every single type of high elf request in existence.

[Mowachassa-dalaran (Mowachassa)]

Their models in World of Warcraft are just, terrible, i don’t know.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

I was responding to a comment that was stating that since the alliance got void elves, High elves was likely off the table. I was responding that I agreed, and that void elves were likely the compromise for the High elf requests in the past, not that it was answer for every single type of high elf request in existence

And don’t you see while claiming “compromise” without nuance misses the point? This whole thread is about nuance, we have to be clear about what we mean.

If you wan’t to say “I think Void Elves were given to the Alliance in place of actual High Elves for X reasons” say that, don’t say they were a compromise, when by definition of the request, they are not.

[Firewoman-spirestone]

Lol but for real, I do have my issues with the NE model, but I’m shook that some people dislike them so much!

oh…I know…I love my Goblins and some people call them ‘ugly’! gah!!

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

You act like everyone wants High elves for the same reason, that because you want high elves for the lore, that player B and player C don’t just want them for the visual fantasy they fulfill. That for many it was a compromise, even if it wasn’t for you.

And since I was responding to a line of thought someone ELSE was making, and you popped in with no context of the conversation then it’s not my responsibility to clarify the point of my comment for every single person who reads my posts.

[Hecatone-burning-legion (Hecatone)]

Repeating your argument daily is trolling, and spam.

Then this whole thread is spam. That especially applies to people asking for playable Alliance high elves.

[Aguni-illidan]

This is like saying that Void Elves aren’t an alliance race because Quel’thalas and it’s government are Horde.

That is a nonsensical metaphor which does not even relate.
The proper comparison is saying “Humans are Horde because they work with the Horde as Fogsail/Defias.”.
Obviously this does not mean humans are Horde now does it? It simply means SOME of them chose to work with the Horde.

The point is that not all High Elves followed Anasterian’s Orders, nor Kael’thas later, to the point that there were 4 distinct groups of Alliance High Elves:

That’s cool and all, but not all humans were a part of the alliance now were they? Doesn’t mean Horde will get humans or should get them anytime soon just because a group chose to do the opposite of their people.

There’s not a single Self denominational High Elf group on the Horde

Sure there is. Blood elves. Cause…you know…they’re the same race as high elves.

The Dalarani of Dalaran, who didn’t follow Kael’thas and remained alliance intil the Nexus War

So…that means they were never alliance and no longer are because Dalaran is neutral.

The Silver Covenant a militant group of Dalarani High Elves that refused neutrality and allowing Blood Elves back to Dalaran.

Why do you keep saying Dalarani?
Anyway, the SC was purely opposed to allowing the blood elves back into Dalaran; which makes absolutely no sense but that is besides the point; they are a part of Dalaran and follow Dalaran neutrality.
Which is why they did nothing in BFA.

The Allerian in Outland, part of the Alliance Expedition.

You mean the one that also involves those such as Aurich Sunchaser who wants the two groups to unite? They aren’t an alliance following group.

The Highvale in the Hinterlands, close to the Wildhammer and Draenei.

Who have never done anything for the alliance outside the quest you do for them in their small part of the world.

So very alliance, and yet never present for any horde vs alliance event.

Let alone the fact that there are many high elves who are not allied with the alliance anyway. So you can’t say “high elves are allied with the alliance” because most of them aren’t, and don’t work for the alliance, or assist them in alliance vs horde missions. They don’t represent their entire people either.

Let alone the fact that Vereesa wants redemption of the blood elves, and you can’t exactly get them redemption if you ally with the faction that kills them during war. Just saying

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Let alone the fact that Vereesa wants redemption of the blood elves, and you can’t exactly get them redemption if you ally with the faction that kills them during war . Just saying

Not if you force redemption on them via Human Potential.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

You act like everyone wants High elves for the same reason, that because you want high elves for the lore, that player B and player C don’t just want them for the visual fantasy they fulfill. That for many it was a compromise, even if it wasn’t for you.

And since I was responding to a line of thought someone ELSE was making, and you popped in with no context of the conversation then it’s not my responsibility to clarify the point of my comment for every single person who reads my posts

See, you seemed to be getting the point, but you are doubling back again.

Wanting High Elves is specifically about either the Look or the Lore, and Void Elves fill NEITHER request.

Void Elves aren’t a compromise for High Elves, don’t try to justify your comments with a lack of context because you can’t accept you don’t seem get what a compromise is -because you misunderstand to whom the compromise should be on a High Elf thread-

Void Elves aren’t a compromise because they neither have the Lore background nor the Aesthetic, some people would be okay with one or the other as usual, but I am yet to see beyond 2 people that have claimed to want specifically High Elves that feel Void Elves as a “compromise.”

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Void Elves aren’t a compromise because they neither have the Lore background nor the Aesthetic,

But that’s exactly why they are the design compromise for high elves.
Because it’s a compromise between “I want the high elves that split off from the blood elves on alliance” and “Those are practically the same as our blood elves, we don’t want you to have our most popular race.” And so they changed those things, you say it didn’t work, but that doesn’t make it not a compromise.