Then Blizzard should obviously allow us to play the High Elves that have been with the Alliance since Warcraft II, especially since they gave Blood Elves to the Horde first. It’s an Alliance race, after all.
I’m not the one declaring them to be specific elves that help my argument here.
I’m not ignoring anything, you are.
What’s the pattern? Because if the pattern is based on models, then kul tiran and zandalari breaks it. If the pattern is based on racial correlations, then vulpera break it because they are unrelated to goblins. If the pattern is one OR the other, then there’s really no pattern because you can get a totally unrelated race that use a model of a thematic already explored (example: ogres based off kul tirans or something based off human model).
Where’s that rule written? There’s no rule, Blizzard never established the rules. One of the few rulings we know of is that allied races aren’t just sub-races.
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Yeah.
While I think Blizzard will favor using models not yet used, there’s nothing forcing them to do so. They don’t have the obligation of fulfilling an allied race for each race. And patterns exist to be broken. They are guidelines, not rules. And often are based off wrong perceptions.
This is completely incorrect. The Mages of the Night Elves are indeed Highborne.
Although to this day there are surviving Highborne, they are not treated as nobility by modern night elf society, and in practical terms the caste ceased to exist over ten millennia ago. One notable exception are the [Shen’dralar], a holdout group against the [Burning Legion] during the War of the Ancients. They were able to defend [Eldre’Thalas] (now known as [Dire Maul] but in doing so became isolated from the rest of night elven society throughout the [Long Vigil]
However, after the [Cataclysm], the Shen’dralar under leadership of archmage [Mordent Evenshade] negotiated successfully to rejoin their kaldorei brethren in [Teldrassil].
According to [Brann Bronzebeard], there is little physical difference between the Highborne and the rest of the kaldorei (save perhaps the Highborne being slightly pastier), but they consider themselves different enough.
Like it or not, with the existence of Nightborne, it seems that the High borne had indeed been taken from the Night Elves.
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[quote=“Zemekkis-whisperwind, post:17089, topic:182516, full:true”]
Well at least you are calmed down a bit. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I’m certainly not budging and we aren’t discussing the same thing so
[/quote]As much as you dislike it, those are the words you uttered. I can understand you dislike the fact it was pointed out the inconsistency of your motivation, but it is important to remain honest in these discussions otherwise, there is no point in having them.
It just becomes words and mud slinging as evidenced in your last few posts.
Anyway, I’ll allow you the last word.
The high elf race left the alliance in WC 2, so they aren’t an alliance race. Your request for the remnants of the high elf population is no different than demanding defias humans for the Horde. Remnant groups does not an allied race make. There are far more obstacles as well even if we did ignore the remnant aspect.
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Yet, you’re the one claiming that we should not trust Wowpedia’s claims about the Highborne apparition in the BFA cinematic, without providing any other source for those claims.
You can’t say “Those background elves that might be highborn or might be void elves that show up for 2 seconds in the opening are definitely highborne because Wowpedia says so!” When if you follow the citation to that claim it just links to the cinematic in question.
Yes of course we know that the Kingdom of Quelthalas left the Alliance of Lordaeron at the end of the second war.
but… consider this (i know it wont change your mind)
The adventurer is a rare entity to the world of warcraft, having taken from the High elf pop that is still loyal and/or sympathetic to the alliance is not a bad possibility. Vereesa Charging a member of the SC/Remaining high elves with the task of assisting the alliance as an adventurer(the player) is feasible.
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Alright then, last word: be at peace.
In all fairness, the Warcraft Chronicle very clearly defines the conflict between Elfkind and Trollkind as being intensely violent and intensely long-lived. As such, the most appropriate course would’ve been to delineate the Alliance as “the faction for Elfkind”, and the Horde as “the faction for Trollkind”.
Alas, that ship sailed in 2007.
If we’re going to have any discussion of “what’s fair”, as it relates to this particular issue, we can start having a serious conversation when the Alliance gets 2 to 3 varieties of Troll.
- Dark Trolls already worship similarly to the Night Elves, they’ll do.
- Forest Trolls are radically opposed to Quel’thalas, and Quel’thalas is Horde. It’s believable that they’d join the Alliance.
- Blood Trolls are vehemently opposed to Zandalar, and Zandalar is Horde. Need I say more?
In the name of fairness, Blizzard, let’s get this done.
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This claim is also supported by the fact that the Void Elves only joined the fight later:
Leave alone the fact that the elves we see in the cinematic doesn’t have glowing blue eyes and wear Kal’dorei clothing.
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Those are night elves. They use the same model as the archers (which you only see the hands in the cinematic). It’s not clear in the brief moment they appear, but it was cleared up by later promo images that show the models used.
Found it:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/b0/63/a9b063ff6c57f045425defb03ac004db.jpg
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I don’t think it’s even worthy to reply to people that keep repeating that Quel’thalas left the Alliance in the Second War, we know that.
We are not asking to play the Elves from Quel’thalas, which are known as Blood Elves, we want to play the High Elves that remained in the Alliance in defiance of their kingdom’s political decisions.
It seems they have a hard time recognizing this or they simply pretend we want something else and base their opposition on this misconception about us, that’s typical troll behavior and this is getting more and more common from them.
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Yeah. I almost forgot about it! Thank you!
https://i.redd.it/ppsfcprtefd01.png
It’s the same model and clothing.
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See, that’s a citation! Something that clarifies the issue with addtional info.
It is not impossible for such a thing to occur.
My response in regards to quel’thalas is because Joy is claiming the race is an alliance race, when such is not the case.
Blood trolls are vehemently opposed to everyone, since keep in mind they are followers of an old god so they will certainly not do.
Dark trolls were wiped out by the twilight hammer so unfortunately, probably won’t happen and even if it did, they are a tribe that would probably not wish to align against other trolls.
Forest trolls are not a possibility given they are mortal enemies to the high elf race as a whole.
I know you are simply being facetious with this argument about “whats fair”, but hey, it is an amusing exercise. As it stands the two factions are balanced right now in terms of what they offfer. Each faction offers a unique race and theme.
Rephrase that, since all high elves are from quel’thalas.
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Because we’re not Highborne. You want to play your Night Elf as a Highborne then RP to your heart’s content. We’re not them.
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High Elves being few in number would be one of their flavors as a race, so they probably wouldn’t get their own settlement let alone a nation/city
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Does it bother anyone else that Blood Elves are almost never used in WoW promotional material? C’mon Blizz, they make up almost half of the Horde playerbase, represent them!
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