High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

lol. tbf, void elves are the most popular allied race by far. they will pass draenei very soon

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

it’s a sign that they are more concerned with their grudge than with actually supporting the alliance

That is supporting the Alliance. The Blood Elves are enemies.

Veressa is also seen doing other stuff in the Alliance and we have portal/shield Mages and general troops on top of that.

a handful providing portals is hardly a significant contribution

Actually getting to the battlefield is the most important part of a battle actually.

Alliance doesn’t have claim to the blood elf race.

We have claim to the High Elf race.

Their story is intertwined with blood elves.

As enemies who broke off and took completely different paths.

Yeah…they do.

Then Alliance have claim to all Elf History by that logic.

Purpose of a void elf is to present a classic looking elf for the alliance with a twist by being purple.

That’s not a classic looking elf then. Classic looking elves aren’t tainted with dark energy with tentacles.

Their purpose is VOID. High Elves would not change that.

Comparison to void elf and night elf is a flawed comparison.

They are both purple darkish themed elves.

Not when it involves strawmanning an argument for the purpose of ignoring the rest of it. Aesthetics is clearly only a singular aspect, but you’re ignoring the rest of it.

Except I asked questions before that so it wasn’t ignoring anything. It was focusing on a major point in their arguments.

No. Worgen please. You don’t get to pick for the Horde, though I appreciate the willingness.

I’m not picking. A lot of people want Ogres and the Kul Tiran model gives them an amazing base to use.

They already use it for Rexxar’s model.

The thing is, it doesn’t matter, because you can’t claim them as a different race, because * all the high elves and blood elves are from the same generation. So there is no way to claim they are a different race when they all came from silvermoon .

That’s not actually important given their different paths and history. Like Blood Elves becoming Fel/Light Tainted and the like and adopting completely different cultures.

not in terms of justifying being playable no.

But it does justify a lot of their differences.

If they were a different race entirely sure.

That’s not an issue given that it would be an Allied Race.

They don’t have a developing story of their own.

They clearly do. Just like the Blood Elves have their own.

No he didn’t.

He said they have a different relation to magic and the Sunwell when explaining why they chose Void Elves over High Elves.

They still came from silvermoon. Were raised in silver moon. Trained in silvermoon. Were all friends with each other until after the fall of quel’thalas.

Then a lot of things changed for both groups. You can’t ignore their development because it suits your arguments.

At the same time the high elves obeyed orders by returning to silver moon.

Then it’s not the same history. It’s a split.

The blood elves are horde because the horde faction helped them to reclaim their lands.

Because of the things Kael’thas did (Some rightfully so) to cause the High Elves and the Alliance not to trust them.

The high elves are killing them because, reasons?

The Blood Elves took a very dark path and became something that the High Elves no longer considered Kin, but enemies.

They are very much still on that path despite having the Sunwell Fixed.

Sorry you cannot just make up numbers.

Kael took a large chunk of the remaining Blood Elves with him to outland. It’s been estimated to be 1.5-3% out of the 9%

The Wretched Epidemic was huge so 1% where likely lost.

9% is not the final number for Blood Elves. 5% is major, 7% is conservative.

Blizzard no longer does percentages because those numbers where written before Allerian Stronghold, (and army of a few hundred to thousand) Lorewise, and the Silver Covenant where written in.

But in the end none of this matters as having more population doesn’t mean the others don’t exist. Especially with races like Void Elves and Lightforged.

if you asked the devs right after that if forsaken could get an undead elf option they would have said. the. exact. same. thing.

It means it’s 100% not a no.

Meaning the “Fair Skinned Elf” is not a major consideration.

[Lavinnelly-dathremar (Lavinnelly)]

it’s a sign that they are more concerned with their grudge than with actually supporting the alliance

That is supporting the Alliance. The Blood Elves are enemies.

yes but they only support the alliance when it furthers their own goals, unlike certain other members of the alliance

a handful providing portals is hardly a significant contribution

Actually getting to the battlefield is the most important part of a battle actually.

literally anyone else could do that though.

and i’m pretty sure only characters of import like us get to use portals.

No. Worgen please. You don’t get to pick for the Horde, though I appreciate the willingness.

I’m not picking. A lot of people want Ogres and the Kul Tiran model gives them an amazing base to use.

They already use it for Rexxar’s model.

ogres are an actual new race though

That’s not actually important given their different paths and history. Like Blood Elves becoming Fel/Light Tainted and the like and adopting completely different cultures.

how are their cultures “completely different”?

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

how are their cultures “completely different”?

theyre not. unless you go back in time to a brief period that lasted 5 years, and even then, the difference was ‘we love the alliance. not orcs and trolls’ and ‘we wont tap the mana wyrmlings’

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

The Hundred-Years War had two long periods of peace in between.

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

Daily reminder that Void Elves and Blood Elves will still exist if Blizzard make High Elves playable.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

The Hundred-Years War had two long periods of peace in between.

That doesnt matter. There are examples of wars ending and starting within the same year and labelled as different wars

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

And also a reminder that Race isn’t a logical and credible argument against Allied Races.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Daily reminder that Void Elves and Blood Elves will still exist if Blizzard make High Elves playable.

But, but… blood elves will lose their skin exclusivity! And void elves will be abandoned because they are scrappy replacements that would have no reason to exist anymore!

The game would be ruined FOREVER!

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

Buut someone in the anti thread say that if Blizzard add High Elves they will remove Blood Elves from the game, bad Blizzard, better they don’t make High Elves I will make a protest in the forums if they do, starting my thread on why High Elves don’t work

[Liara-draka (Liara)]

They remove Blood Elves, I’m gone. I have other races but this race is my favorite. Especially for my rogue’s stealth. Plus I love the race. It’s lore and Lor’themar. I’d miss visiting him.

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

same. i would miss liadrin the most. shes so cool

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

You guys see the level of argumentation and intellect against High Elves people bring…

[Broflake-illidan]

We have claim to the High Elf race.

It’s my ball!
No it’s my ball!

The ball is a thinking an independent thing that didn’t want any of your nonsense though?
The horde doesn’t get humans just because they’re allied with pirates.

As enemies who broke off and took completely different paths.

That is still intertwined.

Then Alliance have claim to all Elf History by that logic.

That is just a strawman

That’s not a classic looking elf then. Classic looking elves aren’t tainted with dark energy with tentacles.

Their purpose is VOID. High Elves would not change that.

Graceful, thin, sharp ears? Magically inclined? Check. Classic elf.
now put a twist. Purple.

They are both purple darkish themed elves.

They are different kinds of elves. One is not thalassian. Just another strawman to burn.

Except I asked questions before that so it wasn’t ignoring anything. It was focusing on a major point in their arguments.

You ignored the rest of her statement and focused on the aesthetics. It may be a part of the argument, but that is still only a part.

I’m not picking. A lot of people want Ogres and the Kul Tiran model gives them an amazing base to use.

They already use it for Rexxar’s model.

Rexxar is an orc.
Ogres are not alliance based.
If you want to trade it needs to be a core race.
So…i’ll take worgens which be default, are humans.

That’s not actually important given their different paths and history. Like Blood Elves becoming Fel/Light Tainted and the like and adopting completely different cultures.

Except that high elves are also all light tainted now.
Their paths have been on opposong sides of conflict, but they still share in that conflict.

But it does justify a lot of their differences.

Not really, no. Those differences are imagined

That’s not an issue given that it would be an Allied Race.

Only applies to allied races on the same faction as their core race. Context is important.

They clearly do. Just like the Blood Elves have their own.

They only appear to combat with blood elves and nothing more.

He said they have a different relation to magic and the Sunwell when explaining why they chose Void Elves over High Elves.

“Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory,”
Let alone their history with the sunwell is the exact same because they are thalassian elves that are affected by it.
But hey…you want to go by headcanon that’s fine.
It is headcanon though.

Then it’s not the same history. It’s a split.

Split occurred after the fall of silvermoon. What defines them is the refusal to answer their kin who had been murdered.

Because of the things Kael’thas did (Some rightfully so) to cause the High Elves and the Alliance not to trust them.

So its rightful that the high elves and alliance don’t trust the blood elves for what Kael’thas did, but it makes sense for the high elves to be allied with the alliance after what Garithos did?

Alliance refused to help when requests for aid came. So they went to the horde.

The Blood Elves took a very dark path and became something that the High Elves no longer considered Kin, but enemies.

They are very much still on that path despite having the Sunwell Fixed.

The high elves are not on a dark path? They literally have a militant faction that murdered blood elves who were allowed to peacefully leave.
So high elves are not only disloyal…but blood thirsty?

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According to Blizzard, unless they say otherwise, those numbers are not contradicted or retconned by lore.
The total number of blood elves and high elves left, were respectively a 9 to 1 ratio.
The encyclopedia states, that some high elves converted to blood elves.
So its a little higher than 9:1 in favor of blood elves.
how those numbers break down does not matter because all that matters is how many were left percentage wise.
High elves are an extreme minority, and that extreme minority is also broken up into the silver covenant which means even less high elves are actually against blood elves because there are others who co-mingle with their blood elf kin.

[Liara-draka (Liara)]

Are you calling people…unintelligent? Because their opinions are (the horror) different?

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

You guys see the level of argumentation and intellect

no need for insults

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

I give opportunity to catch the sarcasm on my post on Blizzard needing to remove other races in order to add new ones (which is a stupid idea to think), but you didn’t catch it. Saying that the arguments that people are using against High Elves are stupid and delusional isn’t saying that people doing them are, because i already come with really stupid arguments in discussions i involved myself in the past to the point i’m ashamed of my past self. Nowadays if someone point out that my argument is flawed and retarded i take the criticism and try to move away from it instead of overreact to it.

[Broflake-illidan]

And also a reminder that Race isn’t a logical and credible argument against Allied Races.

You don’t really get to determine what is or is not credible. If it is well supported, it is well supported.
No allied race goes to a different faction without being severely altered.

The game would be ruined FOREVER!

Just roll a blood elf since aesthetics mean so much to you.

I don’t know if i’m correct but didn’t Blizzard have to remove a playable race from the game in order to introduce a new one?

Nope.

You guys see the level of argumentation and intellect against High Elves people bring…

You were also another person that railed against trolling. The irony.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

There are examples of wars ending and starting within the same year and labelled as different wars

And there is an example of wars starting years apart and bring considered part of the same grand war

[Broflake-illidan]

Lavinya, if Blizzard said it ended, why argue?