High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Somand-proudmoore]

Not all antis are like that one. No need to generalize.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

I think ill be alright.

All I’m saying is there no need to get out of hand with your responses. If you feel like responding, there are several more calm and peaceful ways to respond then the route you’re headed towards which would likely just result in your getting flagged for saying something after getting so worked up.

[Xenøphøntes-cenarius]

Dishonesty was the issue here. I will definitely try harder to avoid any ad homs in the future (since it serves no purpose), but I go for the throat when I see people argue in bad faith.

[Nindraine-moon-guard (Nindraine)]

I’ll just say this - people who are constantly and intentionally dishonest tend to get a reputation. There’s very few people who actually pay attention to someone with that kind of reputation.

[Dorp-emerald-dream]

its hard to keep a cool head when i get fallacy bombed to oblivion. I dont like dishonest arguments from dishonest actors. It is one of very few things that actually irk me IRL.

While I sympathize with your feelings I don’t think you should get worked up over it.
The people who don’t like high elves are not hindering the subject.
I don’t actually think Blizzard would consider the anti “stance” considering it is based off of spite and/or basic misunderstandings. Because it is morally wrong. If they say no, it’s simply because they don’t want to. Not because x or y side “Winz the debate!”.

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

@Xenøphøntes-cenarius

HAHAHAHAHA!

@Xenøphøntes-cenarius

People like that guy who argue dishonestly are so few in number.

ok i want to type a new reply to this but since i dont have time i will copy paste just for you and at the same time for any lurkers or newcomers

@Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord

the alliance high elves are a nearly dead race incapable of sustaining a major presence in the game on the level of any of the other playable races. i can cite multiple sources supporting this fact, including two interviews conducted in the past year that said it flat out. for alliance high elves to be a viable race of any sort, a retcon would be needed

the devs have already said they feel high elves are already playable and that adding a duplicate of an existing horde race with the same themes and fantasy, just with a different adjective, would blur the faction identities too much

when silver covenant NPCs are present, it is almost always in the context of dalaran. the famous example of the high elven force at suramar was actually a kirin tor army after all, as you can see kirin tor peacekeepers accompanying the silver covenant. the peacekeepers also stand among the horde side at the staging area and out number the sc elves

the silver covenant is a dalaran based paramilitary force. it is technically neutral, even if the membership has alliance sympathies. so that these 7th legion mages (and there are only two of them in the entirety of the warfront) are tagged is silver covenant is unsurprising. it emphasises that the few remaining high elves are really gathered under one roof, but that the SC itself isn’t an overtly alliance organization as the kirin tor is now neutral again. those high elves who wish to serve the alliance must do wearing a different hat, that of the 7th legion because wearing a SC uniform would break the neutrality of the kirin tor

there is no reference to the SC existing prior to the WOTLK, and their reason for existence is to oppose the sunreavers because of that factions newfound affiliation with the horde.

@Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord

the silver covenant are free to continue calling themselves high elves, but what a high elf is, is defined by the entire thalassian people. the SC represents a dying, fading past with no future beyond a lot of half elves clinging to an adjective just as elisande said. that past is a part of the blood elf heritage, and is something they carry with them. alliance players do not have the right to redefine that past in the present

high elves are not a core alliance race. they arent an allied race. given that the vast majority of the few who are still alive live in the neutral city of dalaran, working inside the which is pledged to the neutral kirin tor, the vast majority of them dont even live in alliance territory. they have alliance sympathies, sure. and some of them put on a 7th legion uniform when they want to act on it. but stop arguing that a non playable group, confirmed by multiple in game sources and word of sir ion to have little in terms of population, who live in a neutral city, are an alliance race of any true standing

the ones remaining are too few in number to be relevant or a major alliance race. as for the ‘but fyre alliance high elves are active in BFA’ we had four, two of whom are nameless NPCs on the airship in arathi basin

and thats all thats left. the SC even lost their enclave in dalaran to the worgen because their numbers are so few now. all thats left in dalaran are neutral high elf kirin tor mages and the few elves in that hut in the hinterlands

@Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord

exactly

being playable maybe an out of game term, but it is recognition of the major role a race plays in its faction.BUT if we are to limit it to in game stuff, alliance high elves have no independent lands, they have no independent military, they have no substantial civilian population, they continue to exist on the charity of dalaran which is a neutral city. they do not participate in the alliance leadership, in that the highest ranking alliance high elf we know of is equivalent to a captain in the stormwind city guard, leader of a local military force answerable to local leadership, in veressas case that would be the council of six and khadgar

they are in no way a major or core alliance race. they are a reminder of the past, a living testament to what was

[Xenøphøntes-cenarius]

Well I would like to apologize. As someone actually arguing for the High Elves in the Alliance I don’t want my personal reputation tarnished because i engaged very negatively with an extremely dishonest and disingenuous actor.

Also since i know this person will read it anyway, you misquoted something again. (not suprised with how dishonest you have been but here we go again).

This is what it says about the SC in game: A militant core of high elves that rejects the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor. They’ve united under the banner of Varessa Windrunner and joined the Alliance forces in Northrend.

There is literally nothing in there about them being weak in numbers.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

The Silver Covenant exist mainly to be a foil to the Sunreavers, but even then High Elves exist elsewhere in the Alliance. The SC are just the largest collection of them

But do they need their own grand kingdom or something to qualify as an allied race? Based on the current allied races on the Alliance I’d say not

[Izzabelle-draka (Izzabelle)]

Looks at Reno in horror, I just noticed you are wearing orcish spiked shoulder pads. Spiked shoulder pads… how could you? Next thing I know, you’ll be replacing your Silvermoon City cardboard cutouts with piles of wet dirt with dead leafs stuck to the top. You will start putting spikes on all of your plastic trees. I don’t even want to think of what will happen to your poor sock puppet army. The Alliance needs High Elves fast, so us who still remain sane can escape the madness.

[Nindraine-moon-guard (Nindraine)]

Well, the Silver Covenant are definitely the most prominent and visible, for sure. That doesn’t have to remain the case, though. We could have any number of High Elf concepts drawn from the existing lore stubs, or something new entirely.

I mean at the end of the day, Blizzard have absolute creative control over WoW, so the possibilities are quite literally endless. If they think an idea - any idea - is good, there’s a way to justify it in the story of the game.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Actually these are just made out of styrofoam because the real ones wouldn’t drop from Garrosh.

Who needs such heavy pauldrons anyways.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Don’t worry. People know what you’re dealing with.

We’re glad you’re here.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

Exactly. Even without the Silver Covenant High Elves could still be in the table. Obviously we’d want them added in a way that makes sense though, so the SC inevitably always come up

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Nah. A space rock and a handful of people who hear voices counts.

[Nindraine-moon-guard (Nindraine)]

Oh for sure. Just consider it a timely reminder that the possibilities for High Elves being added are pretty much endless.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Reno’s one of the only Blood Elves to walk into the Horde Garrison in Draenor and not vomit.

[Xenøphøntes-cenarius]

I have at minimum 3 characters i would race change in a heartbeat to high elves if they were in the game right now. It just hurts my soul when i see those few but very painful anti-helfer posts only cause i know they are gonna argue in bad faith. I know my behavior wasn’t right there and I really do apologize for that.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Mine is a nice garrison with a Legion of Pets roaming about guarded by Blood Elfs and fancy spikes.

Aeda is there too. Can’t forget Aeda. More like Baeda.

[Aspbeard-moon-guard (Aspbeard)]

I bet the community would go crazy if they added a race with scales. I would love either sethrak or naga.
Just imagine roleplaying a sethrak alongside some zandalari.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

You’re all good man, we’re all friends here. It just sucks that everywhere on GD people will speak about how toxic the pro Helf community is. We’d like to correct that sort of behavior whenever possible

Not implying that you were being toxic, but we need to keep each other in check before things get too heated