Hey blizzard, you there? Why are warriors healing for more than enhance?

[Almatafh-azralon]

@Adroi-tichondrius

I don’t have a reason to lie.

I don’t want to see any specs struggling and am more than fine with DKs healing. It’s not just about death strike and actual healing though. It’s about mitigating damage, which AMS, AMZ, etc. all accomplish. It’s why grounding totem counts towards Enhance healing, even though it’s far less effective than AMS these days.

the only thing I agree with is that enhance needed an improvement in its healing and a simplification in rotation because…MY GOD…

[Inemia-wyrmrest-accord]

@Adroi-tichondrius

t’s about mitigating damage, which AMS, AMZ, etc. all accomplish.

AMZ maybe, but IBF and AMS are only used to prevent/break CC during your go setup. AMS In particular pops the minute any caster looks at you, calling it a defensive is laughable.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

Yea, lavalash build isn’t fun. 10-11 dps specific abilities is massive overkill and ties up free globals for utility. =/

[Sucio-khaz-modan]

I understand your concern for healing on Enh shaman, was just pointing out that DHs do not out heal an Enh shaman unless people pump into darkness and makes healing meters blow up. I’ve gotten a 1.8Mil darkness this season.

[Mopwarrior-sargeras]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Hello? Fix your trash please. Holy crap…

And DK.
And DH.

Edit: Even in the case if Enhance healing was even equal to Arms/Fury, UHDK, or DH, it still wouldn’t be as effective. Arms healing IS good because it’s good on use healing. Healing stream and Earthshield aren’t effective CDs to counter incoming damage. Maybe over the length of a long match it might add up, but dampening negates that value.

So that leaves us with Healing Surge and Ancestral Guidance to mitigate more immediate damage. Well, Surge is junk, especially into MS and Ancestral Guidance is only so good as you’re able to deal damage. Stunned? Disarmed? Sorry, no healing.

yeah but keep in mind arms warr is very susceptible to dying in stuns . healing doesnt do anything if your dead

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

AMZ maybe, but IBF and AMS are only used to prevent/break CC during your go setup. AMS In particular pops the minute any caster looks at you, calling it a defensive is laughable.

It’s still a defensive and does have some additional utility. DKs are soaking damage better than enhance. Regardless, this wasn’t an us vs them thread. More like, why isn’t enhance able to keep up with non-hybrid specs in respect to single target healing/absorbs.

@Mopwarrior-sargeras

yeah but keep in mind arms warr is very susceptible to dying in stuns

Well, that’s (almost) all of us.

[Mopwarrior-sargeras]

yeah but especially arms

[Sucio-khaz-modan]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Well, that’s (almost) all of us

Yes I did a post the other day about classes that can use a defensive in a stun at least once a match. Arms, WW, DH, shamans, evoker, Hpriest, rogues (unless you count cheat death proc) all can die in a stun and don’t have a defensive they can use at least once in a match. Hunter can RoS but requires pet to be in LoS (I know it ain’t much but it’s something) other classes have at least one defensive they can use in a stun per match (bubble, ibf, fury wall, ice block, lock shield, dispersion, Ps)

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Sucio-khaz-modan

Hunter can RoS but requires pet to be in LoS (I know it ain’t much but it’s something)

Yea, it’s really even less than that these days. Like if a monk leg sweeps you and you’re on the monk or near, than the pet is getting stunned with you as well. Same goes for a lot of CC. DK disorientate, DH aoe stun, shockwave, etc. To that, lots of stuff is just a guranteed crit anyways. Chaosbold, lavaburst… Then you have the nerf that was made to crit in pvp and the talent is realy useless outside of some key CDs, like combust.

In most cases, I’m trinketing or dying in the stun, ROS or not. =/

[Dekardcain-whisperwind]

Feral and balance out of bareform are currently making up for the fact that in shadowlands, they could press convoke and kill multiple people once a minute.

[Dekardcain-whisperwind]

I think you might be on to something. But what pure DPS classes would you like to no longer do healing in combat? Hunters? DH? DK? Rogue? WW monk? Warrior I’d imagine.

[Taekwonduwu-moon-guard]

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

AMZ maybe, but IBF and AMS are only used to prevent/break CC during your go setup. AMS In particular pops the minute any caster looks at you, calling it a defensive is laughable.

With how high certain specs/classes dmg are, most defensives feel laughable. The animation immunities feel the strongest, which DH has a ton of. Nothing like going for a hard hit and just nothing happens, put on CD.

[Lugobrious-korgath]

Yeah beat that dead horse until it’s paste.

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@Adultwebsite-area-52

Pure dps classes should have zero healing while in combat. Outside combat let them regen health however fast is necessary.

Dampening in arena was partially caused because all those pure dps classes are able to heal themselves on top of regular healers doing their thing. Basically, every other spec in the game is suffering from dampening because of pure dps class self healing. Hybrids were hurt the most.

To make it fair, bring all hybrid healing down to the level of how ferals self heal with regrowth. But all pure dps should have zero healing “when in combat.”

Those two changes would probably eliminate the need for dampening in arena, or at least reduce the need for it dramatically. Then you’ld have a lot more healers joining solo shuffle.

Actually, the only exception to this would be tanks. They should keep their self healing. Tanks aren’t considered dps so it kind of makes sense.

[Caide-quelthalas]

and the good part is that is completely passive, warriors are just healers now lol