Heroic+ needs to go

the macro /script BuyMerchantItem(a,b) works 1 is for heroism, and b add in the number of badges you want

Occ isn’t crazy, just kill the 100hp mirror images

Just learn to play. H+ has already been nerfed into a state where they aren’t a challenge any more.
But if you don’t do mechanics, well, that’s nobodies fault but yours.

Well I think as this proves…the real reason people don’t want cata classic isn’t because they hated the systems, or class design, or anything other than the content was too hard for them and they felt embarrassed

Heroic + isn’t difficult, could be cleared by people in pre raid bis, they just have mechanics that you can’t ignore anymore.

No…it isn’t harder than Ulduar normal.

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Yeah, but those first few packs have a lot of welps so they summon a lot of those mirrors xD, I generally do like 6-7k HPS on those first few pulls. tbf though if you have a melee quickly cleaning them up its no harder then normal.

Oh and uld normal is kinda faceroll for the most part, at least 10m. Even the hardmodes in ten man aren’t that hard, we nearly 9 manned HM General Vez when we were waiting for a guildies internet to come back and wanted to practice the mechanics while waiting. Next week I think my guild will be able to do basiclly all the HMs in 10m, likely not one light just because of time since 10 mans aren’t on an official raid day.

Now 25m is harder, we sadly didn’t down yogg this week =\ just ran out of time and had a lot of people have issues with the cloud for the first few pulls xD thats what we get for trying some hms week one in 25m lol

Heroic+ good

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we had weird latency issues where people were standing in clouds they said they couldn’t see at all

We had that on HM Thorim, they couldn’t see the lighting that was shooting out. I think there just might have been some slight bugs going on. Like on FL we had someone who couldn’t use anything in a demo, it was like someone was ready to be shot up onto FL, but even after he used it everything was still grayed out. Just week one bugs is all ( and anyone whos says 15 year old game, don’t forget they did adjust stuff that can interduce bugs sometimes)

I mean I also remember really crazy bugs in wrath too so it makes sense that by re-creating the same content you often re-create the same bugs too.

Kinda sad they didn’t recreate the bug that would cause gruul to become bigger than the cave in TBC. That one was funny

But you have 2-3 hours to pick through groups looking for the right one for you? Wasting time is wasting time no matter how you slice it. Be it wiping in + or jumping around in town or cherry picking LFG. If your leisure time is spent stressing so much, perhaps you need a different hobby? One that is less stressful?

I concur.

Wiping for an hour on the first boss of a dungeon that should only take 10 minutes to clear is not a fun experience. Nobody asked for H+. Nobody wanted it. Why is it even there? It’s sure not for gearing alts, judging from the heavy gear requirements listed in the group finder. That is a social issue, but it’s one that would never have arisen had Blizzard taken the same hands-off policy as they did with BC.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m not here to play Retail Repackaged, I’m here to play Wrath of the Lich King, and Wrath of the Lich King is exactly what Heroic+ isn’t.

It’s downright insulting to have Retail Repackaged mythic dungeon garbage shoved down our throats when the things the community actually asks for (RDF) get veto’d on the grounds of “being inauthentic.”

The hypocrisy is so monumental as to be staggering.

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I would be fine with H+ if it actually HAD mechanics that were challenging and gave actual good rewards, honestly the issue that I personally see is it did nothing but make dungeons longer instead of actually increasing difficulty.
There are very little bosses that can actually give some sort of challenge and most of the buffs are just don’t stand in this or break this person out of web ect which are nothing special.

While I do agree heroic+ should have its own que, it is kind of a pain filtering through heroic and heroic+… Heroic+ is still easy as hell. Takes maybe 30 mins to do my daily everyday with randoms. Sounds like a skill issue on your part.

Well I would definitely disagree with getting rid of heroics + because they are a challenge and many people find them fun. However, I certainly agree that there should be a separate looking for group system avail for both to make it easier for people who are just looking for a regular heroic.

I dont get it…who exactly is “forcing” you to run H+? You could just as well stay with regular heroics…others running H+ doesnt take anything away from you.

Why do you want to take options away from everybody else because YOU dont like them?Just ignore em.

REEEE I don’t like something, because “MY life” change everything to suite ME. REEE

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I don’t disagree or atleast tune it down. Most people who are running it are looking for players 4.2k+ who probably dont need any loot from a naxx 10 run.

Some of us don’t want to be stuck with mindlessly farming the easiest dungeons we’ve ever walked into to get badges for current gear. I understand your frustration, but many players have been geared out for over a month, and have just been steamrolling the same easy content on reset. The titanforge dungeons truly aren’t that hard, but the difficulty is increased enough that you actually have to pay attention and do mechanics, which I think is absolutely awesome considering wotlk heroics we’re a complete joke on release. Could you imagine being in ToC or ICC gear and STILL farming those original daily heroics to get emblems of frost or triumph? That’s a realllllly boring grind lol.
I’m happy that both exist.

It’s totally okay that both exist.

The arguments we’ve been making is that risk vs. reward isn’t there compared to getting into a pug raid.

While having harder content (that’s actually hard and not just the gimmicky garbage Blizzard passes off as hard) is fine, the troll dungeons in particular are not good. Hard would be periodically healing 10-25%. Not one mistake and back to full.

Engaging hard content can be done. A couple of these cross the line into “twitch gaming” mechanics that most of us playing Classic have avoided. And in some cases are the reason we quit playing retail years ago.

The troll affix was nerfed.