Heroic+ needs to go

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Andurel-frostmourne

Grow up sick of this mindset from people.

…because we want a game that’s more accessible? Kinda like it was before? Or is it because we want a separate queue for Heroic/Heroic+?

@Kaolo-grobbulus

Vanilla-wotlk was never friendly towards mega casuals.

It was literally designed to be casual-friendly.

[Silika-pagle]

@Kurathis-pagle

Lol - that’s not true at all.

“lol” It is true tho.

I just checked group finder again and outside of the daily, its mostly Heroic (not +). H+ outside of the daily there’s almost no demand because people that runs H+ are geared already and don’t need the gear nor valor badges from there. Even with the daily it’s like 50% H+, there’s plenty of Heroic non+ going on.

[Zalika-faerlina]

@Kurathis-pagle

It was literally designed to be casual-friendly.

for 2009 yes.

It is not as casual friendly as Dragonflight is for 2023

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Silika-pagle

“lol” It is true tho.

I’m on Pagle - 99% of people queued want Heroic+.

@Silika-pagle

I just checked group finder again and outside of the daily, its mostly Heroic (not +).

How else do you expect to queue for heroic+?

@Zalika-faerlina

It is not as casual friendly as Dragonflight is for 2023

That wasn’t part of the discussion. Thanks for joining in, though.

[Shadowwsx-area-52]

Heroic + is one of the most cancerous things implemented in the history of WoW. Anyone who tries to defend it has the IQ level of a stump….and not even a big stump.

[Flannanisles-yojamba]

I provably have an IQ higher than a stump, so here we go.

• Extends the useful life of dungeon assets and environments
• Creates new player experiences while respecting the original content because it leaves the original experience intact
• Huge content update that reinvigorates dungeon experiences for every WotLK heroic
• Excellent content for smaller groups (such as friends) to experience some challenge outside of raid groups
• Allows players to experience new design philosophies

This is the exact sort of thing I was hoping for when I read their “some changes” direction. Respecting the original game while “bringing it up to date” in some ways. Sure, you may hate those ways, but they’re giving you an opportunity to at least try it.

Sorry you’re missing out on conquest badges, I hope you get some great drops in Ulduar and that’ll blast you way past needing 3/5 badges every day.

[Turtlepower-ashkandi]

It just needs to be balanced for more casual players.

It’s easy for people who react to the mechanics. It’s a nightmare for people who do not. It’s only one mechanic per dungeon, and there’s only two really challenging affixes.

[Drain-windseeker]

Only issue is that heroic+ doesn’t have its own separate section like it needs to. Also, the token exchange vendor is broken.

Will flag anyway though because you’re just trolling with a sockpuppet.

[Trunksp-benediction]

BAHAAHAHA epic troll

[Bodicca-maladath]

@Silika-pagle

I just checked group finder again and outside of the daily, its mostly Heroic (not +).

You can’t tell by LFG. Today I ran the daily with some guildies. We listed our group to pick up a healer and dps and didn’t bother to put H+ in the notes. Hardly anyone does.

[Spoòky-kiljaeden]

I think they should make grouping easier. Kind of like queue into the plus level you want with a required Ilvl or something.

The forums are full of edge lords with one liners that they think will boost their status on the forums, when in reality no body even knows who tf they are.

If everyones complaint was answered with “unsub” “youre not forced to” then the forums would be more for bullying than productive feedback/opinions. With that same logic just “go back a page” “you’re not forced to read it”

Just ignore all the negativity, vent your vent brother.

[Jeynar-mannoroth]

@Flannanisles-yojamba

Extends the useful life of dungeon assets and environments

It literally serves the exact same purpose normal heroics do.

It’s a badge farm at the start of new phases.

Once people have their 2 sets and runed orbs are 25g a pop it’ll die out.

It’s 100% predictable how this’ll play out cause we’ve seen it play out before.

@Flannanisles-yojamba

Huge content update that reinvigorates dungeon experiences for every WotLK heroic

Literally 0 content was added to heroic+.

@Flannanisles-yojamba

Respecting the original game

lmao

[Withengar-bleeding-hollow]

Hey there bud, not sure if you know but there is this little known concept called a guild. Try it out you might be surprised.

[Groknok-eonar]

Um just not playing wrath anymore. I PLAY MY MAIN. I raid, no need to do Heroic+

[Silika-pagle]

@Kurathis-pagle

I’m on Pagle - 99% of people queued want Heroic+.

That’s just BS and exaggeration, not sure why you refer to that to make a point, probably because you’re wrong and trolling at this point, do you even look at people descriptions on LFG? when there’s absolutely nothing in the description, those are that want to do normal heroics, you get that? very simple to understand since there is no filters for H+ yet, people adds their GS and says they LF H+ in the description otherwise they get invited by normal heroics groups. How many of them outside of the daily without desc? quite a few, within the daily? about half of them and there’s more people overall. That’s my last reply to you dumbo.

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Silika-pagle

when there’s absolutely nothing in the description, those are that want to do normal heroics, you get that?

That’s not true - for some, sure, but not all.

@Silika-pagle

That’s my last reply to you dumbo.

Such riveting conservation.

[Caperx-tichondrius]

Why does it have to go? Noones forcing you to do it

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

@Kalemari-faerlina

@Zaalg-ashkandi

This is hilarious coming from such an anti-rdf person.

they have zero self awareness

@Zaalg-mankrik

Connected realms? Are you referring to the cross-realm dungeon finder? Because that’s all that Wrath added in that regard. And there were cross-realm bgs since Vanilla.

I think both those additions were terrible, btw. The last time I really cared about pvp was before patch 1.12 after which point pvp just became about killing and fighting alongside strangers. And the dungeon finder in Wrath destroyed the pve community that LFR finished off in the next expansion. But sadly it’ll be in Wrath since they just use the last patch and every system that existed at the end of the expansion. But out in the open world at least it’s just you and your fellow server players.

@Zaalg-mankrik

No, no Classic should be run just like Retail, because WoW becoming a lobby game of strangers worked out so well the first time.

@Zaalg-mankrik

Originally the game kind of forced you to be social. You had to group up. You had to make friends. And Blizzard removed all that over the years. Starting really with the Dungeon Finder in Wrath.

WoW just became a lobby game where you queue up for things, join random strangers, do your thing, and move on. Never see or talk to them again. There’s literally no reason to communicate with anyone outside of Mythics. Other players might as well be bots. I don’t know how anyone calls WoW an mmorpg anymore. They’ve completely forsaken the mmo audience.

And it was sad to see that same warped audience infect Classic. Especially after TBC’s boost, which brought them in even bigger droves. They treat it like Retail. Just look at the forums. I guess that was inevitable. The community makes an mmo, and the community is nothing like it was back in the day. And it’s the devs’ fault for the direction they took this game. But it is what it is and it’s not going to change.

[Kalemari-faerlina]

I agree add RDF

[Elegia-arthas]

Why do people always complain when they play the game the worst way possible by doing dungeons with random people.

Sorry if your experience sucks, but run them with your guild or raid team and it’s going to be fine. This is a social game, find a group, set up a time and do them.