Heroic Dungeon ilevel requirement is 567 but Normal Dungeons only drop 554 LOL

It doesn’t.

You see people defending the delve nerfing because they can still do T8 with 605 ilvl ie they already ahve the rewards from the tier they’re doing. It doesn’t make sense.

Not true. Heroics had a 551 ilvl requirement IIRC. There definitely was a requirement. They just raised it this week for no readily apparent reason.

It still makes no sense. In DF S3 and earlier nobody did Heroics after the first week or two. There was literally no point. Now there is a point to Heroics but Normals don’t give you the gear to do them. It doesn’t make sense.

They didn’t last week. They’ve made it more difficult and that should basically never happen. The horse has already bolted. You’re just punishing anyone who isn’t a sweat.

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There is a lot of ways to get easy gear to get you past the check marks to get into higher ilvl required things. Just go do it.

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this pretty much. they make you “engaGe WiTh ThE BrAnD” more if you;tre forced to farm valorstones

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yeah but its still kinda silly that the idea is now

engage with the meh drop rate of gear in normals. get enough valorstones to get the ilvl for heroic, then start heroics just to do it all over again

You farm normals… then after gets lots of badges you visit a NPC to upgrade your armor using those badges…

No thanks, I’d rather complain about it, before cancelling my subscription. I don’t have enough free time to do things I don’t want to do, so I can do things I want to do at this point in my life.

You know some of us dont find farmiung dungeons till the end of time the most exciting thing on earth

and I say that as someone who enjoys farming heroic dungeons this expac

You cannot upgrade 554 gear.

you can buy darkmoon cards cheap at 577 for trinks and all other pieces you can buy cheap sub 500g 567 greens off the auction house to fill holes to make that 567 requirement it isnt that bad. I dinged a level 80 the other day spend 4k gold on the AH and que’d for heroics 5 minutes later. That and if you do a few world quests and get a pinnacle chest that will give you a 580+ piece also cant remember the exact level though i know it comes out epic

The rewards in Heroic were Buffed.

by buffed you mean theyre still second tier gear but with 2 extra levels of valorstones on them so they still cap out at the same final ilvl either way

Yep that’s what Buffed means.

No need. Grab the four pieces of 584 from Renown vendors, then get the two weekly pieces of 584. Then you can see what Delves give or get some WQ gear.

It’s much cheaper that way.

You should never have to buy gear to do Heroic Dungeons.

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i do it to skip the normal dungeon grind when gearing a new toon if i don’t have boe’s to put on them once they ding max. The only toon i gear the “normal” way is this one since its my main

Okay it’s pretty lame that Blizzard makes a change completely outside the norm without any sort of communication or explanation. Dungeon gear progression has always been Normal > Heroic > Mythic. This change seems really out of touch and makes no sense. Now gear progression is Normal > craft, buy, renown, delves > Heroic > Mythic. Typically, the craft, buy, renown step is supplementary to fill in spots and help out.

Now its mandatory because you cannot get a high enough gear level from running the prior difficulty level of dungeons. Again, a progression change that makes little sense and has gone against the standard we have had for decades.

Seems like an oversight. Heroic dungeons didn’t get any harder, they just drop higher gear now. Hopefully it gets fixed.

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Regardless of this issue why does it feel like some players are being stubborn about very easy gear upgrades?

Players were asking for casual/solo prog and we have that now with the Weekly events, Special Assignments, Delves and Renown. You aren’t just stuck with Dungeons.

because at least 3 of those are just dailies and reputation grinds but with new words papered over them to pretend theyre totally new content and the 4th (delves) peopl;e cant decide if its progress for elite solo players or progress for casuals

Their argument is null too because I can’t even get enough valor stones to upgrade gear high enough anyway. It’s weird to me how many people just can’t wrap their head around the problem that’s going on here.