On my Warlock I went with Diabolist due to being Demonology. But there is a problem in the hero talents. One of them that you can choose between two things, both choices depend on having taken certain talents in the base talent tree. I’ve taken neither so that hero talent slot is worthless.
Why in the world did they make those specific to two talents that players might not even take? Soul-Etched Circles requires Demonic Circle talent and Annihilan’s Bellow requires Howl of Terror, neither of which I chose. My build is strong and I do not want to have to sacrifice one of my talents just for one of those two that I don’t want.
Please change that hero slot. At the least the one for Howl of Terror should ALSO work if you chose Mortal Coil instead.
You chose not to take either of them, but typically Demonic Circle is an assumed nearly guaranteed pick for all three Warlock specs for mobility purposes.
There really isn’t a reason to not take it unless you’re absolutely determined to not take it, in which case why is this bothering you anyways?
It forces you into a talent choice or you lose a hero talent. They should not assume you’re going to take either of those talents, especially when one is an either/or choice and they made the hero talent work with the “either” but not the “or”.
I mean I think the issue here is that while yes, it can generally be assumed that any given warlock will take any one of the 3 ability nodes in the first talent gate, it can’t be guaranteed that they will have any specific one. Of the 3 I’d think circle would be the safest pick to tie something to but the tree is formatted in a way that allows you to not take it so there is sure to be at least one person out there who just doesn’t like circle in the same way that I don’t like gateway.
I can also see the frustration that could come with a hero talent only working with half of a choice node. Bellow probably should effect mortal coil in some way like increasing it’s cast range.
Having said that, I will say that given those are both utility talents, if you’re already playing in a way that you don’t think would benefit from circle or howl, then you might not feel not having soul etched circles or bellow in the long term.
I know as someone who does have circle and runs soul etches circles the exact number of times I’ve actually benefitted from it in pve can be counted on one hand, and that’s being generous since I didn’t need the speed just the default teleport.
Exactly. Despite the CD I prefer Gateway and find DCircle worthless. And why in the world does the hero talent not with with both choices? Why ONLY with Howl and not with Coil?
Because it’s useless. I’ve been playing since early 2012 and have used it maybe 3 times. I don’t see the point in having it on my bar. You’re not even considering it’s bad design to force players into specific talent choices. As for Howl of Terror, sure, I’d love to send FIVE hostiles running in every direction to aggro god knows what else back to me when they all return. No, Mortal Coil is the better choice since it only sends one hostile running and also gives a heal, but heaven forbid this hero talent work on it too, nope can’t have that!
I agree with OP.
If i am by myself and i am doing delves, i am speccing into different things. I dont need those things. In fact, i dont take either movement utility and i spec into more survival talents/passive healing.
If i am in raid or pushing m+ then ill spec into them just bc some teams want them. I frankly find them more cumbersome then anything.
Just because they are considered the norm by most doesnt mean they are the given by all. Many of us just prefer different playstyles. Also, its pretty garbo to have utility/defensives tied to hero talents. Ngl.
Have to admit, I don’t use Demonic Circle as a rule, so that node is essentially a dead talent. If they’d made it a choice between Demonic Circle and Gateway, it would have been a better fit.
Could be worse, you could be a priest and have an entire hero tree making you take Halo. FU if you liked star better. They really should rethink these tree’s and not have them revolve around optional talents.
That’s the point! I find it useless and don’t use it. I’m not the only one. No hero talent should be tied to its use because then it’s a dead slot for many of us. At the least, if it works with circle it should work with gate, if it works with howl it should work with coil.
It’s not useless, you just choose to not take it. Not really Blizzard’s problem that you won’t take a core part of Warlock’s kit for some strange reason.
So pick up the talent then.
Considering the core differences between gate and circle, no.
Also no, given the core differences between function in Howl and Coil.
All of this stems from a refusal to take Demonic Circle because you (incorrectly) perceive it as being useless. That’s not Blizzard’s problem, and they’re not obligated to design the hero talents around people deliberately choosing to omit a core iconic class ability.
There’s a reason it’s incredibly accessible in the class tree. The whole purpose of the talent system is allowing you to make choices, including bad ones if you’re absolutely insistent on making bad choices. OP is intentionally making a poor choice and is then upset that a hero talent isn’t catering to that poor choice.
Telling me you’re not taking Demonic Circle is like telling me you’re absolutely refusing to take Heroic Leap because you “think it’s a bad talent”. You’re free to make that choice, but pretending it’s a good choice isn’t going to get you anywhere.
I’m not taking an issue with people. People can make the choices they want, but sometimes those choices have consequences.
Except it did place in a choice system. You can omit or pick up situational or niche pieces of utility or base kit as needed. You may not always need a stun, or an AoE fear, or the ability to control an undead creature. Having the option to switch into those things as needed is part of the benefit of this system.
I’m saying it’s a core part of the kit bundled into the talent system. The OP’s choice to refuse to take it is 100% on them. Do you think they’re suddenly going to start using it if it gets forced into their spellbook?
No. They’ll complain that this “useless baseline ability” is tied to a hero talent system. Lol.
