But seriously, it would help solve some of those utility problems and it kind of does fit our M.O.
It could be some kind of… Shout…
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I brought extra, we may need it
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yeah it would go a long way to making warriors desired for utility
i dont think prot should get it though. prot warrior is already a great tank and doesn’t need any more help getting into content
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This is something I’ve said for years. Honestly I’d love to be just higher damage instead, being the blender class has been fun in the past. But Blizzard has made it painfully obvious over the last month or so that isn’t something they are willing to tolerate anymore.
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I think it might be better to add a 3rd shared party utility to go along with lust and Bres, of a similar strength. Give it to the classes that don’t bring a lust/res. Warriors are not the only ones in this position.
My first thought was a party wide defensive, like the defensive version of lust. So something like…20% DR party wide, 8 seconds, 5 or 10 min CD, but gives a debuff like Lust where you can’t stack it.
Give it to the classes without lust/bres.
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all tanks brez all dps lust all healers heal
I don’t think bloodlust would be the magic bullet you think it would for warriors to get more key invites.
It’s already brought by Shaman, Mage, Hunter and Evoker.
Odds are you’re generally always going to be in a group with one of these classes more often than not, especially with how decent shaman’s buff is for warriors as well.
There is also no value in having more than one in the group like there is with Bres being able to cover incase the bres dies, even then they’re covered by jumper cables which everyone should be holding in higher keys.
The only other “offensive utility” that would be thematic to provide to warriors would be a Purge/Enrage dispel, displacement in a ‘mass grip’ which could be a stomp that pulls enemies in which is currently a utility monopolised by DH and DK or bringing back utility we used to have in Disrupting Shout (40s cooldown originally, could return at 90s like the current protection variant and removing the auto taunt portion without being ‘broken’ as it was back then) or Mass Spell Reflect which I’m not too keen on myself since if it returned we would not have as many overpowered interactions as we currently have.
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This isn’t a joke. Stop treating it as such. Does our PAIN make you laugh?
As a “pure dps” class blizzard sure likes keeping us on the bottom shelf. Season after season of other melee dps with bunches of utility walking all over us on the meters has got rather tiresome.
As for some of the arguments against it, no I don’t believe it would be a magic fix all, but it would indeed help. It would also lessen the reliance on the other classes that do bring it. The only other melee class that does bring it to the table are enhancement shamans so there is a spot for us to slide into. (Surv hunter doesn’t count cause my understanding is that it is a pain for them anyways)
Magic bullet? No of course not. No such thing. But it means you can be slotted in when the group is lacking. When all other things are equal, this is one of the bigger reasons I see that warriors are rejected.
Which means one of these classes MUST be brought, so when a group is being formed, typically people will look for that lust class first. Again, not a magic bullet, but more of a feather in our cap.
Correct, but there is extreme value in having it so that groups with warlocks and rogues, monks, ect. are far less likely to exclude a prospective warrior.
TBH I think the way some fights are built another grip class is necessary so that it isn’t monopolized by DKs. The PvP ramifications would be pretty extreme. That is a bit of a side issue in general though. When it comes to purge/soothe, the same argument can be made that there are plenty that can do it already, and it is more dispensable currently than lust.
I don’t think warrior needs lust, why does every mass raid wide dps cd have to be haste? Bring back conq banner, mastery/movement/snare protection for all but scales with the party size similar to raid healing cds. So it gives less mastery in a raid than it does in a M+. This instantly makes a warrior spot open in raid and M+ they are wanted for something besides dps.
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The problem with this is often it could be correct to stagger them in groups with multiple Warriors. Skull Banner back in MoP required additional coordination that was frustrating to play around.
Additionally if mastery becomes a bigger buff for other classes (Like Moonkin in Shadowlands), it becomes their cooldown as opposed to the Warrior’s.
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give mass spell reflect back.
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Excuse me sir, but we don’t talk about those times around here. Thanks.
than u give it the same treatment as lust where u cannot benefit from the affect again for the duration of the banner CD, so only 1 warrior will run it.
thats complete nonsense as a reason, as if lust, the priest cd that grants haste, or any healer raid CD/ dps raid cd are actually the CD of the dps themselves, this literally means nothing. using a cd when it provides the most raid benefit is the point of a raid wide effect. Also things like what ur describing are exclusive to guild/high end raiding environments, no pug is gonna tell a war to pop for the boomy as an example. ur just gonna use it off the rip with lust, so stop.
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Been so long overdue it’s beyond cringe.
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So than you run into the same situation we have now with Battle Shout. Bringing more Warriors isn’t really a benefit for Raids, and in smaller group content (M+ & Arena) where we only fit into niche compositions.
I don’t think bringing a stat steroid is the answer. Everytime Warriors have recived spells like this they go underused (Conquerors Banner in Shadowlands) or they’re misused and a headache for multiple Warriors (Skull Banner MoP).
Please talk to priest players. Power Infusion is such a point of contention for them. Its not a cooldown the priest gets to use for themselves. Ever since they got that powerful unique utility the rest of Priest utility has been dramatically reduced. They’re the only healing class without an interrupt, things like their mass dispel and dispel have been reduced in effectiveness.
This is a very real scenario that Priest currently have, and I’d hate to see Warriors become a two trick pony in terms of utility like Priest.
There are solutions and suggestions for less game warping utility, that Warriors could receive instead of this Banner that we’ve tried before.
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Or how about a passive buff depending on the stance the warrior is using? I don’t know what percentages would be considered too high vs too low to make a difference but I think it would be cool.
berserker - haste buff
Arms - crit chance or crit damage
Defensive - % to armor or defense
What sharing our stances with the group? That’s an awful idea.
It goes back to earlier mentions of “your cooldown not being your cooldown” and it just means entitled people will bother you with requests until they go blue in the face.
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I guess if people are asking you mid raid or dungeon to swap over from fury to arms that would be annoying but if you’re already in the group and they know your spec then they probably wanted that buff you’re coming in with.