Blizzard. How’s it feel to be mocked constantly? I’m genuinely curious what is going through your head at the moment.
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I dont think its as bad when all the people mocking you still give you money every month.
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Not all. I’m done - 10 days left. A lot of people are over it, or close to it.
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probablyt never going to happen. its been 7 weeks since the addressed the lotus in the first place. if someone was going to change it would have. lotus is working as intended.
you guys dont need flasks. i get you may want to use one, but its not necessary. this entire lotus situation is honestly realy just a giant case of FOMO. you guys would be a lot happier if you just forget the lotus and flasks and let the swipers swipe for them.
if you really need lotus for flasking you should be farming herbs in dm e or spending at least a couple hours per week farming a stack of plaguebloom and silversage to sell mongooses. itll take a little more ingenuity but you can afford to flask if you put in a little more effort- but thats a huge problem with classic that people dont actually want to play the game to acquire such things.
nice joke, but youd be better of mentally if you just let this one go. its not worth it.
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Stop. It’s not JUST FLASKS. 
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this entire lotus situation is honestly realy just a giant case of FOMO
No this entire lotus and resource situation is trying to cram 30000 active raiders onto 4 layers. Grobbulus at it’s peak has 8000 raiders and 7+ layers consistently. 3x the amount of players on 1/2 the amount of layers.
if you really need lotus for flasking you should be farming herbs in dm e or spending at least a couple hours per week farming a stack of plaguebloom and silversage to sell mongooses. itll take a little more ingenuity but you can afford to flask if you put in a little more effort- but thats a huge problem with classic that people dont actually want to play the game to acquire such things.
Nah the real problem is Classic players like YOU. Blizzard objectively dropped the ball on resource management in Anniversary. There is ZERO argument against this. Blizzard created the Megaservers. Blizzard 
limited the layers on the Megaservers. Blizzard really thought it was okay to have THIRTY THOUSAND PLAYERS on a single server with resource spawn rates less than half of the rates 8000 players got during Peak 2019 Classic.
But you’re gonna sit here and try and blame the players and FOMO.
Get a brain dude.
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this post is specifically about lotus, IE FLASKS.
i agree its not just lotus, but nothing else is relevant to this post.
and i have to reiterate, you should just let this one go. if a lotus change was going to happen, it would have by now.
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30k players dont need flasks.
im in favor of changing the way lotus works, but you could be out there farming gold to buy a lotus right now instead of spending time (some people doing it for hours) here on the forum to complain about it.
if a lotus change was going to happen, it would have.
the problem isnt players like me. this is actually a funny one. in one sentence you blame me, and the next you blame blizzard; so which is it?
it IS fomo. theres not enough lotus to go around for everyone and youre upset about it, that is literally what FOMO is. fear of missing out.
youd be better off letting this one go.
Yeah but what is going to happen if they up the spawn rate if the bots just auto login faster than you. Communities with hundreds of accounts all logging in faster than you to swipe it up. There’s lots of ways they could modify the game but how far will they go when thousands of players are still giving them money and they don’t have to do a thing. Anniversary WoW and classic in general is not about harvesting new players, its slowing down the loss of players. We as a community were never meant to stick around, just stick around long enough to boost a quarterly. Enjoy the game as much as you can, fixes or changes are likely not coming. We aren’t people to blizzard, we are money they no longer care enough about. Look at their main expansion, its a mess. Filled to the brim with so many systems that even a new player wouldn’t want to stick around or keep playing for very long.
If the argument is “don’t use flasks because lotus are scarce and expensive,” then that argument applies to EVERYTHING.
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so how much longer are you going to throw your tantrum?
i think i recall you posting that youre unsubbing. to that i say: good, less people in the game is a good thing.
Nice level 10 alt. did you finally get banned for yapping?
TLDR; Blizzard was lazy and forced megaservers, BREAKING THE ORIGINAL GAME DESIGN.
Ya’ll gonna say we don’t need gems in TBC to raid next?
Are Flasks mandatory for early raids? No. But why is an acceptable logic to deny people a resource they would like to use anyway?
Resources would be more accessible if we weren’t crammed onto one forced megaserver.
Megaservers should be a choice.
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Horrible take when players accuse other players of “throwing a tantrum” when Blizzard is called out for incompetency. But never mind that now… 10 more days.
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it might be a horrible take, but its what we got with blizzards lack of transparency. its obvious they dont see it as a problem. so the only other options you have left are to adapt, or give up.
so now you are throwing a tantrum and bragging about cancelling your sub.
10 more days until there is one less toxic person to deal with. this is a good thing. hopefully many more follow you.
I’ll just reiterate that it is players with the attitude like yours that do more harm to the game than anyone else.
Your disingenuous attempts to isolate the conversation about resource supply solely to Black Lotus because of something as pedantic as the title of this thread doesn’t alter the actual reality of the situation.
Black Lotus supply is just a symptom of a larger issue. That issue being 30000 players exist that actively raid and will want to use consumables at some point and Blizzard has only provided 4000 players worth of resource spawns in the open world. You can’t farm Plaguebloom, Silversage and Icecap in an instance. You can’t farm firewater in an instance.
30k players dont need flasks.
You don’t understand that in this economy there aren’t enough flasks at all.
134 days since Anniversary release
1 lotus / zone per hour (the fix didn’t actually change the spawnrate unless someone has numbers on that)
4 zones lotus can spawn
4 lotus per hour on each layer
12-16 lotus per server each hour
384 lotus per day
51456 total since day 1
134 days is 26 lockouts.
51456 / 30000 = 1.7
There only exists enough supply that if everyone used a flask they could have only used 1 and 70% of the raiding pop could have had 2.
As a player, do you think it is reasonable to only have enough black lotus exist in game over 26 lockouts for each player to have 1 flask?
If Flasks didn’t exist except on a vendor do you think it would be reasonable for them to sell only one flask to a player and restock once every ~30 weeks?
The problem is with the base amount of resources that exist in the game since launch. I could farm a million gold but if there is nothing to buy with it what’s the point?
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this is actually the dumbest thing i have ever heard. im not isolating anything. im literally talking about what the title of this thread is about, and im being disingenuous. you arent going to gaslight me by moving the goal posts.
i dont have a problem farming these items. i might not get 4 stacks per hour, but i dont need that many in the first place.
this is a huge keyword. you want to use something, and i respect and agree that its not unreasonable to want things to change to address these things, but as of right now that doesnt seem to be an issue to blizzard.
actually, i more inclined to say that this is acceptable than to say it isnt because your model assumes that every player uses a flask, which is so far from the truth. the onyl people that might “need” to flask are tanks, MAYBE healers, and you dont need to do it for EVERY SINGLE RAID EACH WEEK, especially after a little time has gone by and youve geared out your raid better.
there is no reason to be flasking in mc now, for pretty much anyone, unless you are a parsing guild, in which case you have to pay to play.
no, the problem is megaserver. the base amount of resources not being enough is the symptom.
this is a disingenuous statement. there are plenty of things to buy, lotus in this case, andthere are always 40-80 lotus on ah at all times so what you meant is “I could farm a million gold, but if everything worth buying is absurdly expensive, it still feels pointless.”
except its not pointless.
its not 2005 anymore. stop playing the game like its 2005 and adapt to playing on megaservers in 2025. you cant have your cake and eat it too. you will either adapt or get lost in the ratrace. if its so much of a problem to you that is causing this great distress maybe you should consider taking a break and unsubbing for a while.
So you’ve conceded that Blizzard has warped the original game and accept ‘thats just how it is’.
If you search Black Lotus for 2019-2020, you will only see complaints ON MEGA SERVERS. At least back then, people were able to CHOOSE to roll/transfer to a mega server.
Megaservers are a different mindset, the mindset you so embrace. It also caters to the gold buying crowd. Which is why many people aren’t bothered by these prices, because they just swipe their worries away.
Whatever, that’s their choice, and Blizzard truly does not care when people buy gold. Long as their subscription is active, all is well.
The flat out truth is that Blizzard has ruined what Vanilla was and could care less. Corporations love complacent people. They loooove when you give in and ‘adapt’.
Megaservers should be a choice.
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Suggesting that people just need to get out there and farm more is ridiculous.
99% of the people that are buying flasks every week are not farming the gold. They just buy gold from the bots and gold sellers.
Then they use that RMT gold to buy lotuses or flasks from the gold sellers, who are the people completely controlling the consume market and selling 90%+ of all lotuses and flaks on nightslayer.
Current state is either play the game like a full time job to afford to flask. Or spend 1/2 hour of your weekly paycheck and buy consumes for 2-3 raids.
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100% agree with this.
Having a small server of 1-3k active players makes the world feel more alive and more like home because you see the same people all the time and you group with the same people so you have to treat each other with respect.
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