Nerfed by 15%, I mean it’s not even that powerful idk man.
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Well… It is obvious bliz don’t want anyone playing ret pally. Seriously at this point, just remove ret spec entirely.
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Pretty sure it’s the strongest DoT in the entire game by a wide margin. I’ve seen it tick for ~350k.
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It’s around 2% nurf to single target.
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I honestly think it did need a nerf, however 15% absolutely seems excessive. Especially when you consider zero ST buffs went out.
What REALLY surpried me was absolutely nothing for templar.
I mean really?
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Ret is performing exceptionally well in the new raid. So it’s no surprise there were no compensation buffs.
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Now the specs are about the same in terms of damage, but herald has the advantage of the increased healing. Templar isn’t the play right now. I mean, it’s fine to play but why lose the healing and not gain anything in return?
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Yea but that number will 100% go down as people learn the fights and less die.
Its a big reason id love them to get rid of the buff we get on ally death.
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Wait, are you serious??? 
Then yeah, the nerf was definitely warranted.
Well, Templar does give you some healing, barrier AND 5% reduced damage from the targets.
So there’s that…
Yes, but don’t take my word for it. Here is a log of someone getting a 407k tick of Dawnlight.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HjcYA3XBb89wMCQN#fight=23&type=damage-done&source=447
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Even with the nerf i highly doubt templar will compare in aoe.
With st being close theres zero reason to use templar and have to switch up rotation only in st bosses.
Sucks cus i really like HOL but im not gonna play with it if its just marginally better in a single area.
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That’s fair I made an over-simplified argument. I’ll take the healing of Herald over those though.
I feel the same way, I would rather play Templar.
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It’s not about AOE, it’s about burst damage and cleave. Plus the little extras I previously mentioned.
With this slight nerf which was definitely warranted, I’ll bet they’ll be very close in overall damage.
Bro what is “exceptionaly well” ? Ret is not even top 5 in all the fights, what are you even saying. We are mid/high pack.
No ST buff while we are mid/low in that regard
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I feel you.
See, Templar is more about reducing the damage whereas Herald is about healing the damage already taken, that’s why I enjoy the former. That being said, they’re both viable, especially after this nerf that was definitely warranted.
It’s always cool to have viable choices.
Do you know how much of a nerf it its aoe wise?
I don’t.
My hunch is… It’s about the same, maybe a bit lower depending on number of targets.
1.5%-2% would be a reasonable guess at 5, less at 8. More than 2% but less than 3% in 2 target cleave.
edit: I did a short test on 5 target dummy, 1.5% is what I come up with. 2% or less is reasonable guesstimate.
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Yea all in all the nerfs really weren’t bad, and kinda justifiable.
Im still surprised tho templar got no love.
Atleast for pvp, idk how templar is performing in Pve tbh since almost all rets are parsing as herald.
Hmm, I guess it a bit less than I anticipated. I was thinking somewhere around 5% to 6%.