But we know Blizz doesn’t do anything about bots (despite their laughable blue posts). We know they do nothing about gold buying. So why would we not expect that on a hardcore server? I feel like the demand will be even greater to buy all the bis gear, enchants, consumables, flasks, etc…when it can literally mean the difference between losing your character or not.
And people think bots will be at risk? That they won’t be able to level? Please. These things fly through the air, disappear through the ground. They’ll find ways to avoid death.
The fact it there will be bots everywhere. People will be buying gold. Flasks of Petrification will be required to get raid invites later on. All of that is going to happen. So the question is…do people care? I’m speaking of those who don’t want to partake in that shady stuff. Do they just not mind seeing bots everywhere and things like this:
Because that is what the hardcore server will look like. Obviously not on launch day, but it won’t take that long to get there.
Sorry, I feel differently. Pay to advance means using gold instead of playing to advance. Like sitting afk while they do all the killing. Pay to win is meaningless to me. Winning in this game is subjective. Everyone has different goals.
What I do not understand is not the “pay” part, but the “win” part. How can you “win” WoW?
Actually pay to advance is more meaningful. But still I fail to see how it can be fun.
Why pay people to do all the fun for you. I simply do not get it.
I might be a square peg in a round hole. But I would not find it in any way satisfying or fun or anything but empty and frustrating to pay others to play for me. I never did. The closest I’ve been is letting my sons take my main instead of their own to a dungeon where they needed a tank, and I was away from home. I felt sad that I had not been the one to get those achievements myself.
My sons were serious WoW players, They just used my poor main for raids when their own guilds were short a tank, and I was not at home to help out - and they probably performed better than I would have done, as I was not that keen on raiding I totally trusted them, and they showed themselves worthy of my trust - or I would not have let them take him ever again - and they knew
Materials should be trade for gold only, at least gathered ones. Bots wont sit around trying to offload iron ore all day… maybe they will, but I’d rather intermingling be a cornerstone of hardcore, knowing of names, asking for cash on deliveries rather than the instantaneous reward nature of having an auction house.
Exactly, by the individual and you,corpse and others are upset that others wont play how you want.
Why do you and corpse keep asking these sort of questions to me when I’ve answered it several times, I’m not the one keeping my point hidden. Yes, because it is that individual player’s time spent doing the individual challenge of leveling with out dying.
Well, finally you’re saying what you actually want to say. It isn’t about anything else other than wanting other players to play how you think it should be done. We disagree. That is okay.
On a individual basis.
Yes, the precedent that the server that HC gained its popularity on had players who could mail, trade and use the AH while other players imposed voluntary rules on themselves to have a more engaging time while leveling. Keep doing that.
We all are. There are many different versions even on this forum of what people think HC is. I’m just saying, you do what you want and think is the hardcore of hardcore stuff.
I’m not the one demanding anything from anyone. I’m saying play how you want…
The horror
No, I can because it is a server type that lists out the rules of the server. You’re going to have to follow those rules as the server sets them in stone ignoring issues like bugs and what not.
The other rules are self imposed, keep self imposing them.
On a individual basis.
This is my point and always has been. You seem to understand it but disagree. Which is fine.
lol no.
You’re right they are two different games that are played solo.
lol good gosh lolol
What is this response for $500
I haven’t said anything is a fact… at all. You’re projecting friend. What you and I have been saying are opinions. The only fact is that the offical server will allow trading, AH and mail, with one death and limits on runs in dungeons till max level.
Everything else is a want of self imposed rules to no longer be self imposed. Which I have never said don’t ask, I’m saying you can still do it until they do or don’t do those rules for you.
Nope, they’re responses that you seem to be taking personally. Stop that.
I probably wouldn’t but you made such more silly statements that I couldn’t stop myself.
Well I thought agreeing would get you past that you’re going to be waaaya more hardcore but clearly it didn’t work.
I’ve decided that I’ll keep attempting to respond to you. You’re fun.
I just want to see the credits screen and hope someone gets to enter their initials, you think there’ll be a “thanks to player’s like you” line at the end from the developers? … … . with these players? Fuggeddabbouddit!!
Well… we were Horde the time he wanted to take me for a ride in the new Mechanohog. It was pretty cool until he drove it off the side of Dalaran and popped flight form while pointing and laughing.
Not a bad simile, only as I said, I was sad not to have done these Achievenmens myself (which was where we came from), they never “scratched” my character = had more or the same G from the raid as what the repair bill cost
By saying this, you are clearly missing the point entirely.
I said I should be able to buy a boost to 60, buy gold, buy gear, and raid Hardcore.
If you’re also okay with that, then I would tack on that I also want to be able to use the command table to swim through the air at 1000% speed. And that I want to be able to instakill command anything in the game.
The reason we keep asking you questions like this is because we’re trying to figure out where the wheels fall off for you and you go, “Even though that allows more player freedom, they shouldn’t have that in the game.” I.E; Where you think the standardized ruleset for all players should lie. Where is the line and why.
Instead, I get the impression you think that you are trouncing us with this philosophy of committing ever and ever further to maximizing player freedom to a point of ridiculousness. What you fail to realize is that what you effectively are advocating for at that point is a complete sandbox version of WoW, not Hardcore, or Classic or really anything that anyone has expressed any interest in playing, would be a huge waste of resources by Blizzard, and is already possible by running your own closed pserver.
If you dont think it should just be an open sandbox, then you concede there should in fact be rules, which means limitations on player freedoms. If that is the case, where do you draw the line between player freedoms and rules, and why should that be given preference over the existing and functioning understanding of Hardcore. If you actually have a legitimate foundation for that belief, I’m all ears, truly. But hiding in the mist of “player freedom is always all that matters” is going to get you nowhere.
This philosophy I think actually proves my point entirely; when you set out to play a game with friends, ever since you were a kid, you defined what point of the game was, and what the rules were. If someone else popped up and suggested rules that completely countered the point of the game, and flat out removed the motivation to play for a lot of the people that organized the game in the first place, why on earth would that person’s view of the rules be held in the same regard as the organizer and awareness-raiser of the game that got everyone to turn out?
Its almost like people forgot what games and rules for them were in this “customer’s always right” reality we exist in now. Chess doesn’t work well when all the pieces move like the Queen, folks.
I totally trusted them, and they showed themselves worthy of my trust - or I would not have let them take him ever again - and they knew 
