Jesus Christ you guys are still on this? Like idc if it happens or not in the end, I’m sure it’ll be fun for the few thousand of you for a few weeks, but you’re all delusional if you people actually believe it would last longer than a month. Blizzard has a 110% chance of implementing it barebones, and once the death balls get going, it’s over.
If you want PvP, maybe go PvP on the not pve game mode server. Seems like y’all would be happier there.
Yes, all 5 of you that don’t bother to /pvp flag, mak’gora, or form a community around it. Really making the case to Blizzard.
Thats because its russian roulette in a PvE server. You’re talking about well over 200+ hours of monotonous grinding.
I’ll take my chances complaining on the forums.
A PvP server would be nice in theory, but I don’t think it would work because once the first round hits 60, they will endlessly farm players leveling up. No other 60 will come to help because they don’t want their character deleted in the case they lose. Also, the server would be full of Druids and Rogues. Night Elves would be the race to be.
+/- 5 levels feels insane to me. Gonna have like 24 rogues just dismantling level 19s
Anyway.
Small changes can make this doable
This isn’t a HC mode to see if you can make it to 60, it’s just for the fun/thrill of the experience. We can even have DC protection for all I care.
Oops you just got MC and jumped off a cliff since there was no “pvp combat” they get no debuff
That’s 100% PvP “combat”. Not sure the distinction. The debuff I added because, inevitably, PvE players and other smooth skins will attempt to play HC PvP. The other changes are enough to ease the the sting of death but I’m sure there’s other additions that could be added.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The fact that you’re presenting that seriously just makes it more laughable.
It’s almost like you don’t even play the game. You go on and make a point about faster leveling but it normalizes in the 40s, which is when these “go around the world quests for an hour with flight paths” becomes more common, and we’re expected to do it on foot?
DOA.
From what I’ve seen on this forum, the average WoW player has no idea what a “gold farmer” looks like.
Absolutely, because it’s a 1 life PvP always on server. You clearly can’t grasp the concept or haven’t played a PvP server to take that into consideration. Your precious questing experience won’t even happen if players get 60-100% speed boosts at higher levels and lowbies have no chance of escape on top of being able to reach any part of a continent in a matter of minutes.
None of this prevents twinked level 20 rogue(s) with 225 engineering from one tapping level 10-20 players out of stealth with solid dynamite or sapper charges.
And anyway high level gankers don’t care about your debuff. You think the rogues sitting in menethil harbor for 12 hours at a time on pvp servers care about an experience penalty or loot debuff when they can have the rush of actually killing characters? You think a 20% stat debuff matters when a 60 rogue ambushes a level 20? You think any of those debuffs matter when a raid group of 40 people just rolls over the low level zone? You think town guards are going to stop a raid of level 60s? You think a raid of casuals is going to be able to fight a raid of serious players even if they’re all debuffed? lol
You’re obviously just bad at the game and have no imagination about how actual gamers can easily circumvent or ignore your rules, and how power gamers will just crush all the casuals like you in 1-2 weeks, if not a few days.
Which is the absolute dumbest thing I’ve heard in regards to HC. The only mainstream HC PvP that I know exists is lifesteal SMP Minecraft servers, which is actually an infinite amount of lives as long as you don’t hit 0 total hearts left. It’s not even a traditional HC in regards to a singular life.
And you know what I hear my pvp friends say about classic? They refuse to play because they exclusively want to only pvp and not quest, ever.
This is a painfully niche group that would enjoy it for a month, and it’d be dead afterwards, just like the trickle of players who tried to make it work.
You want to talk about ethos? You, the sock puppet? The guy who’s hiding all his accolades and achievements? You want to bring up ethos against me when hiding your main?
I’m not going to sit here and pretend to be a R1 glad, but you can at least see what I’ve done in game. You present nothing of substance to justify your trash can idea, just empty words backed by air and hope.
I don’t like questing but sure. I guess I love it so much I only leveled to max one time, because i just love questing so much.
They already don’t. Druids get movement. Shamans get movement. Hunters get movement. Rogues get burst movement. Mages get burst movement. Rip the rest, they’ll just be run down. Rip all low levels who have a Druid cheetah run at them and there is nothing they can do because movement is no longer normalized at a cap that all players have access to and is instead varied based on class, giving certain classes innate advantages over others.
But sure, obviously the sock puppet who exclusively attacks my character in his first reply to me and avoids my point is surely cooking something hot lmao.
Having a trash can alt on grobb doesn’t make you an expert on PvP. Show me those sweet PvP accolades or get the aovona treatment.
Your trophy twink makes 1 bad move, your trophy twink goes back to starter zone. You trophy twink gets ganked, etc. they go back to the starter zone. With increased loot and XP, your safeguard gear isn’t going to save you when everyone is a twink and you find out you’re not actually good at your class, just good at gimmicks.
True. I wouldn’t care about it. Some will. That’s the point. Those that reaaally want to gank can still do so. Those that don’t want the debuff won’t. We can even make this debuff stack so eventually your stats go to -100% if that’s how damaging it needs to be. Are paragods like yourself still able to kill casuals then? Please tell me yes. Pleeease.
So even without a stacking debuff since I mentioned that just now (though idk why I should have to think for you but that seems to be a pattern on these forums) I suggested guards having increased vision on stealth. Coupled with other players, the gankers better be on your level of paragod to survive that to be a consistent menace. Additionally, we can just up the guard level, too. No one is going to be city raiding in HC PvP and if they do then, more power to them.
I think given the extra loot drop % at lower levels will give players a better chance of surviving an attack, yeah. Hence the point of giving them more loot at lower levels and even less at higher.
Fair, this is where the stacking debuff aspect could come into play. No, I don’t know how era servers have evolved since I quit. But in PvP focused games, players will form a police force. I imagine this being a small, small community where that could be a reasonable expectation.
So buff the guards? Good questions, I guess, but extremely simple fixes. Clearly they’re willing to change some aspects of WoW to accommodate HC.
Lmao.
So wait, can only 1 side do this? Only 1 side can power game/circumvent the rules?
Agreed.
While I 100% agree, again, you literally PvP WHILE questing. Your friends want BGs/Arenas all day long? Retail exists. Valorant. LoL, etc.
Agreed.
Tbh, I haven’t played WoW in years until Classic came out. I quit when Warmode started. And, uh, my other main is Nosfentor on Whitemane. I deleted all my retail characters when I returned and tried Shadowlands. And I haven’t looked at your “accolades/achievements”, as this means Jack to me. I can say I’ve been playing WoW for almost as long as it’s been out though and have played multiple MMO PvP games in between that time. Whether you believe me or not means Jack to me, as well.
Are you the same guy as the paragod above you? You two seem to think highly of yourself. Is this because you play WoW a lot or something? Exclusively? Is this why you’re both so narrow-minded when it comes to literally anything I’ve said?
This is just something. I won’t say what, but it’s just something. And indicative of why retail is the way it is.
I guess you forgot this?
I think comprehension and etiquette are more important when it comes to game design than accolades in a game that, without context, could have quite literally been handed to you.
PvP in WoW is absolutely meaningless for the loser. You can die, res, rinse, repeat. This isn’t a game PvPers look at and typically respect. It’s not punishing in the least bit. It’s THE participation trophy game. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with the idea that your “accolades” matter in this game. None of it proves you’re capability to think critically. Ridiculous I even have to point this out.
Deleted your post? Good choice.
No, removed by Blizzard. You’d know if the player did it because it would still exist as a post, just not readable.
Lucky for me, Blizzard sent the entire post, so I just have to copy and paste. Feel free to report it again. I’m sure the very real people who reported it are going to come back and report it again so you can act smug again. Forum trolls really will just try to silence you account so they can continue being detriments. Even in the event of a vacation, I’ll just be unsilenced eventually and give you the Aovona treatment. I like making the sock puppets fight for their right to post. I guess those who lack accolades in life or even in game have to resort to the next best thing, which is whatever you’re doing here kekw.
Real neat you take two quotes from me, switch them to fit a narrative you want while avoiding what I’m saying.
And you want to be taken seriously lmao.
That’s the point. They’re not going to PvP while leveling because they don’t want to level. This does not entice those types of players to want to come to a HC PvP server. Which means there is less players. Normally this isn’t an issue for HC since it’s a self challenge, but integrating PvP into it specifically makes it into a game mode that needs players, a game mode that won’t have players.
I hear that a lot from people who have overly righteous opinions about the game but lack the played time to back it up. Weird.
Obviously it does. I stated that your idea is laughable and it’s doa due to your proposed suggestions for this notion, and how it is counter intuitive and only creates a revolving treadmill of pvpers stuck in a leveling hell as their exp normalizes to a lower rate in regards to how a normal server has exp, but at the cost of movement, which is not a quest or level design from blizzard. The original devs made the quests long and across the world because you get a mount. Because the world works not in isolation of zones but together, with different factions and groups fighting for control, and the quests reflect that.
And your notion is to keep the tedium and remove the positive under this notion that it’ll make PvP happen more when it only gives advantages to movement based classes as the top speed of each player is now class dependent.
And your response to me was to attack my ethos on this subject.
So yes, it matters to you, just only when you use it against others while hiding behind a forum sock puppet alt with some bs cope about “I deleted my toons so you can’t check even if I want to show you hue hue hue”
Fine lil bro, but all you’re doing it proving that you’re a joke and this entire premise is dead if you’re unwilling to justify your righteous suggestions with ethos while simultaneously attacking my ethos.
But you don’t care, “supposedly”.
And I’m sure the other mmos have thriving HC 1 life PvP scenes. Right. Surely like HC, other games and even genres have their own versions, so surely if people love PvP games like mobas, tac shooters, and royals then the mmo scene would have their own version right. It wouldn’t just be a normal pvp situation, right. They have thriving HC 1 life scenes, right.
It’s weird how I actually present a point as a counter and your response is “yeah this guy is same posting”
Nonce.
No but feel free to make more head canon. I’m used to the bads around me constantly making up fiction to justify whatever about me. You’re actually the third one in the last 30 days. Crazy how often you people have to resort to fiction to even try to make a point.
You keep bringing up retail. Like, you can go back to retail if you want. You don’t have to stay here if it’s on your mind so much.
I think understanding the attack on the idea is a drastic difference to attacking ethos, but sure, use your college courses for the wow forums. I’m sure you got some big words to vomit out to justify an equivalency between me calling your idea stupid and you attacking my ethos.
More false justification from yourself as to why you can’t produce anything of merit.
Even if you bought rank 1, you still had to be good enough to not die instantly at least, but sure, let’s only view it in the most absolute of a vacuum as possible so we can pretend like they don’t matter in a video game that embodies accolades and merit since day 1. Thunderfury, atiesh, scarab lord, rank 1, warglaives, and more were status symbols for a reason, and even if you don’t personally view it as that, the community does. Always have. And no amount of headcanon from you can change that.
So when talking about wow in a serious capacity, like you’re attempting to do, it would behoove the readers to understand that you come from a place of status, and aren’t just some random forum alt on the forums.
But if you’re content with the latter then I’ll treat you as such, just another baddie with a loud opinion.
Hahahahahahahaha yeah that’s why the same fight die rez and repeat was hated since the start right. Because you know the whole tournaments and events just were filled by nobody since everyone hated the status quo, right. Arena tournament died in tbc lads, heard it here first, no one took it serious apparently.
I get wow arena is down bad rn in retail and buried for LKC, but so is the entire playerbase. I don’t think it’s the status quo, I think the game is just at its end. We can have different opinions on that specific sentence I just said.
What isn’t a difference of opinion is if it’s respected. Maybe today, sure, but we don’t know the reason. What we do know is what you outlined is not the cause, otherwise it would have died way earlier, but your obsessive head canons will outweigh facts any day in your mind so it doesn’t matter.
A mountain of cope.
You can scream it’s a participation trophy game, but it doesn’t make it true because some forum alt too afraid to post on his main stomps his foot in anger.
I’m not, I only bring it up when people try to flex or attack my ethos. I used to play this game extensively and am willing to get into a voice chat and explain in plain English, calmly, how your idea will fail on multiple levels, from player to corporate, and I can use my experience and knowledge based off of what I’ve done in game as evidence and justification that I know what I’m talking about. Otherwise, without ethos, a crack fiend with no formal education has the same amount of authority on cancer as a cancer specialist.
But sure, using ethos hurts your narrative because I doubt you can actually produce anything of merit to prove that you’re not just a drooling troglodyte screaming into the wind. You can still prove me wrong though by presenting anything of merit.
I doubt you will though.
Also, critical thinking? What in the ramblings are you going on about with that lmao.
“Hey I have a bad idea.”
“Ok let’s hear it”
“The idea”
“It’s bad”
“Yeah well you literally don’t play the game, see I can say it too”
“Ok then prove you do, present anything of merit”
“No and it’s dumb you’re asking me here’s a bunch of cope about why I can’t but like you can’t critically think”
That’s this conversation. Somehow you spewed enough word vomit to get lost in your own sauce.
Go back to the time when you didn’t play wow. Players like you are why I log check everyone.
Before some shenanigans happens to my post again, which would be weird if you time another snug message after it’s deletion, I just want to point out that you still have only posted theory and speculation, you still have yet to justify your ethos, and you have addressed none of the points I’ve made at all, opting for fan fiction about me as a player.
It’s almost like you’re here in the sole basis of making an inflammatory thread for the purpose of being at best, a bad contrarian, and at worst, just another troll trying to keep the pot stirred.
Either way, gg. I know this game too well for you to shenanigans your way through me. I’m ready for the reports.
Try again.
Lol. Ok man.
That’s fine. That’s literally fine.
Let’s see, played from the beginning. Pretty much quit in MoP, so that’s… over a decade for sure. Additionally, I have experience in a bunch of other MMO PvP games. So yeah. Oh but you want me to redownload WoW, undelete my main from back then, and show you my arena rating or something? And you think you’re credible?
No, I don’t care. I don’t care what ANYONE has done in ANY video game. Lol, but imagine.
Get over yourself.
Thriving? No. Niche? Yes. Have I said this would be the biggest thing to WoW ever? Have I? No. I simply stated my opinion on the OP.
Guess what? I’ve never heard of you.
You: I called your idea stupid and then said why your idea was stupid and I did it with 0 respect then you went and disrespected me! My ethos!
This is serious? Wait, what? Talking about a hypothetical HC PvP server is serious. Get outta here.
Players like you are why I’m glad I never became a serious casual gamer. Cuz at the end of the day, your video game accolades mean Jack.
That is a lot of backpedaling.
I know I’m right, it’s why you addressed nothing but coped.
geegee
Sounds like a cop out.
I addressed the only points you made, which was “accolades” and time spent playing. Everything else you said was about the impact me calling you out for your behavior had on your “ethos”. Any points you made prior to that you deflected, again, back to either “accolades” or your hurt ethos, both of which I refuted as meaningless.
Yes, continue using gaming speech. It really encapsulates your ethos.
And also this:
Is