Hazzed's video on 2h Frost VS DW Frost

I didnt like the cinematic along with all the retconned lore going forward. They have a big lore hole to will with the demons creating the armor helm and sword, being linked to the twisting nether where their souls go to after they die, and death being the only way to enter the shadowlands until now. How these demons used a forge they couldnt get to is absolutely beyond me.

The art team is the only team that I think performs and the sad part is, they have a bigger team now than they had in earlier expansions which makes me think its an internal communication problem. Preach had a good point in Legion beta/alpha when everything was being worked on. Fury was getting to the point where it needed to get something done to be able to test and it seemed like 1 guy just cracked his knuckles said “i got this” and didnt follow any guidelines that the other specs seemed to follow. It was like out of left field.

I think they have at least a direction for Shadowlands, but yeah its not really looking too good. People will probably just pick the covenant which has problems with it for end game raiders where it might be a case there they need to make 4 of a single class and put them in each covenant in case of changes.

its an example, that obviously went over your head, you can put whoever subject in the place of it, like someone who don’t watch movies wanna complaint and give opinions over the marvel movies, when he neither watch it or even read the HQs to have some sort of knowledge in the “superhero” kind of thing.

unlikely, but however to make you feel better.

no, its pretty much antagonizing, we have plenty of comments of you included, you even went on the frostmourne thread being antagonist once again, just because its a 2H weapon and i don’t know maybe you feared the 2H return with the sword too.

the other 2 were literally unholy players who are not what you said here.

And no, transmog is not a option, and just because you are up for it don’t mean your are not antagonizing the 2H return.

wuuush, another one who didn’t get at all, i even said is regardless o not being an expert

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For once, you’re right about something Monkiy. And I’m not the only one who thought that too honestly.

Except I have watched the movie in that case, I just left in the first act because the movie sucked.

“Unlikely” suggests you haven’t even bothered to look, not to mention the people who said they quit at the start of Legion all because of being forced to DW, but their say is ok but mine isn’t? Hypocritical much?

I don’t think you know what antagonizing means. You also jump straight to the conclusion of anti-2h with absolutely nothing to back it up.

And transmog is an option, you just don’t like it and you are also disagreeing with other 2h supporters which is making my point that even among those that place themselves in this 2h community you can’t agree on an outcome yourselves.

No you aren’t, and context matters, that’s why you should read it instead of assuming what it says.

Hazzed can be an entertaining content creator but… and I don’t know how to say this without it sounding like an attack… his intelligence is a bit below average. Maybe it’s just a speech issue or an issue expressing his thoughts but I watched quite a few hazzed videos when I was looking for more DK content to consume. I like his content and while I find his rambling entertaining it isn’t really coherent and logical. I’m not saying he can’t play DK well I just wouldn’t want him as the voice for the DK class because even if he knew what would benefit the class I don’t think he could get it accross in a way that anyone could understand.

Yeah, I can see your point. I think he should be just ONE of the voices for 2h Frost support though, not THE voice for it’s support. If we want someone to stand at the lead for the support of 2h Frost though, I hope we can find some good people who can help with just that. I think Dreadmoore could be one of the good picks, even though I think I might disagree with how Arthas is portrayed for his downfall and corruption by Ner’zhul.

one movie :thinking:

i did look. thats why i said unlikely, unless you can proof your statement.

i think i do, thats i used.

would you be ok if they removed DW and made only transmog option? no you don’t. then its not an option.

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Yeah, and I tried to point out how they can fix the DW transmog so that the offhand works too. There’s already pretty much DW transmog with the Legion artifact anyway, but like I said, the offhand needs to be worked on to make it hit instead of having just the main hand weapon doing the hits. But when I talked about that in the past, I was told that it wouldn’t be possible at all, and it would require a whole lot of coding. I don’t think it would take that much, but even if it does, if Blizz isn’t lazy, they can fix that easily. Hope they can actually fix that for real either way though if DW can be mogged over a 2h.

One more thing, nice armor tmog you’ve got there, it looks pretty nice!

Blizzard is lazy. Just look at the specs now and how dumbed down they are.

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That’s why people were complaining and got pissed off at them in the first place though, so they better not be lazy anymore. If they can start putting themselves even more into the game and get off their lazy butts this time, which I really hope they do, then we might get things to be even better in the end.

I would like 2H frost back.
-I hate managing a second set of weapons; this means that if I choose to tank - if I want to keep my frost DPS up; I need to go a significant degree out of my way to farm 2 1-handers.
-I think DKs feel “odd” as dual wielders; I am not actually advocating for removal of dual wield; but DK has never struck me as “agile” which is one of the typical frameworks associated with your Classic Dual-Wielder. Arguably I could see a DW as a “berzerker” but that seems to be the intended theme of Fury Warriors.
-I think it would be easier to fix Frost DK by reducing the dependence on Magic for damage; I feel that is more the aim of Unholy and Frost DK would be more aimed about self-buff followed by heavy hitting physical damage (which would play more off 2 hander)

To be honest - I would like a 2 handed non-magic DPS spec; give it as a blood alt spec; or a 2 handed Frost…heck even just tweak Unholy somehow (really not likely as they tend to be magic damage)

signed Avaxxa - 219 Days played on my DK and counting…

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One movie for one spec.

You looked, yet state something is unlikely? Unlikely means there is still a possibility of the the other outcome to happen so it’s just an uncertainty.

People use words that they don’t know what it means all the time.

If they could actually make DW transmog work I don’t care, but they can’t. See the problem with your way of thinking is you have already made up your mind of what others must think or follow if there is a differing of opinion. I’m not even anti-2h and it just shows is you want it your way or no way because nothing is good enough.

I have even asked people to create a spec while ignoring all weapon options. I have only gotten one answer from Frostlich, while not completely ignoring putting weapons in it, I could get a good idea of what they wanted from a spec. With that spec build both weapons could be applied to it with very little difference between both weapon options with only 1 addition, a 2h runeforge.

The spec can be built without MotFW, without splitting the spec, without trying to break them up into aoe or single target. Everyone keeps on talking about weapons like they are so important than nothing can be accomplished without them.

The weapons are not that important no matter how much people want them to be important.

The frozen berserker was the theme back in wrath with 30% base attack speed, and that increasing KM procs which in turn make 2 of the core abilities hit hard through forcing crits and the rune system was made in such a way that there was no downtime.

It’s not a frozen berserker anymore and its really having an identity crisis.

They have a bigger team than they used to but if you just look at what they have been producing it’s not good. Shadowlands isn’t looking that great either with retconned lore because they wrote themselves into a corner with 30 different writers not communicating with each other, and all we have right now is covenants for Shadowlands which for the most part there isn’t much of anything to them and will have problems as well and might force raiders to have 4 of their class each being in different covenants to bypass any covenant ability tuning that might happen or something happening in the spec that makes it work better with a different covenant. You can’t just swap covenants on the fly.

Lazy and bad design just repeating the past mistakes.

Going to ask for you to clarify this statement. I mean if your speaking of “appearance” then your mostly correct (as its a subjective statement) if your speaking mechanically however I am going to have to strongly disagree.

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In terms of building a spec that people would want to play. Abilities don’t use weapon damage as a source for calculating damage output anymore. The only type of mechanics between the 2 is with runeforges which that is easy to solve, and KM procs, DW crit mechanics shouldn’t cause any significant dps difference.

So really you are left with KM procs as any mechanical difference. People are stuck in the MoP/WoD playstyle difference and for some reason can’t escape like that is the only answer in bringing 2h back.

^ Sadly this is very true…

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just because you saw the first 15m of the movie don’t give you credit.

i said its unlikely because i didn’t saw and i can’t proof, you otherwise said it happened, im waiting for the proof.

i somehow doubt that.

bold assumption without any proof, like you worked at blizzard

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Your arguments are fallacious at best, and quite frankly they just arent worth responding and this will be the last time.

Credit for what? Plus its more along the lines of I dont like this movie, im going to stop watching it as other people are saying they dont like the movie either but they are still watching it. I really dont understand your argument against input on something I didnt like to play. Not to mention a lot of what was being talked about was what happened in other expansions, that I did play. So is your argument that I cant talk about past expansions and what was actually going on in those expansions because I dont play now? What a dumb argument if that is what you are actually trying to do.

I dont know what proof you want and just stating you want proof of something while not providing any context doesnt really help anyone unless you want me to go dig through fallacious arguments that you have been making in the first place to see what you want, which might not be what you want in the first place.

You doubt that I wouldnt care if DW was a transmog option over a 2h weapon and it actually worked, which the transmog system does not deal in animations and its 2 systems trying to work in a way that wasnt designed to work that way. Could there be a way to make them work? I dont know, maybe. But there are absolutely no examples of this happening anywhere that show that the offhand would know what to do or that they can even fix it. So if my position is based the current data, and it not working even though they you can already transmog the swords over a 2h, it doesnt function and its probably not even worth making it work when they could just add in 2h weapon as an option.

You have really weak arguments almost like you just want to to have some opposition even though you have nothing. Get some better arguments and try it on someone else. I dont have patience for your fallacies anymore, and you constantly skirt around any of the questions like “show me where I said no 2h!”. You dont show it, because you cant show it, so you have to misquote stuff out of context to make it look that way.