Have the graveyard spawns in AV always been so one sided?

[Misadventure-herod]

@Bodicca-westfall

Do you think us having immediate reinforcements by rezzing RIGHT THERE at IBGY

@Bodicca-westfall

Imagine living in a reality where time, distance and math were irrelevant.

[Celldwellar-benediction]

@Bodicca-westfall

@Celldwellar-benediction

It’s quite hilarious that in your little fantasy vanilla horde allowed alliance to take objectives south, and now in classic they don’t.

The map is the exact same too btw. Allies used to win 60%

To understand this, you have to understand how players approached AV at that TIME (definition: the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole).

Both teams zergged. That was the way it was played. When Horde began playing scorched earth as they are doing now, Blizzard made changes.

So you see, it’s not that hard to understand.

Thank you for making it abundantly clear you did not play AV in vanilla.

“Both sides zerged” lol

[Celldwellar-benediction]

@Getts-faerlina

giving alliance an immediate defender… advantage? what? you start halfway up the map and you call that an alliance advantage… rofl… such skewed perspectives.

It’s not necessarily an advantage overall, I was unclear. You do, though, have the defender advantage at SH and generally lose that engagement. And if you lose there, I’m unsure how you could expect to win at say the IBT chokepoint. Or in the field of strife without npc and GY support etc if the horde cave was moved.

That’s all I’m trying to point out.

[Celldwellar-benediction]

100% agree. Would be interesting, and I would love to see the alliance bridge defense again.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

@Celldwellar-benediction

No one is debating we start farther up, giving alliance an immediate defender advantage.

You mean putting alliance on immediate offense and defense while horde go full offense. I find it funny how you’re trying to make the horde cave being closer an alliance advantage.

[Celldwellar-benediction]

You are on defense at that point, meaning you have the defender advantage. So yes, all other things equal, you should win that fight every time.

Also, see my other reply.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

Not an advantage when alliance resources are at risk much sooner than hordes which is why alliance are immediately put in a position to take and defend a gy while while horde are only playing offense. In no way does horde starting closer give alliance an advantage and it’s a real stretch even implying that.

The fact that you think alliance should never lose SHGY and that by splitting off to go offense leads to them losing SHGY and that somehow means they couldn’t take IBGY in an even battle is just pure nonsense.

[Celldwellar-benediction]

So you don’t see how having friendly NPCs all over the place, towers in two areas, and graveyard reinforcements 5 seconds away is an advantage?

I think the millennial term is yikes.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

So you don’t see how being forced to defend resources while simultaneously trying to take horde resources is not an advantage when the other side only has to push offensively?

Yikes indeed.

[Celldwellar-benediction]

You have to be able to win the first fight with all that support to be able to win other fights without it.

That doesn’t happen. Can’t really say good try.

I’ll add: If alliance met us first at the IBT choke point like we do at SH, we would crush them there. And in the event we lost that fight, we would lose the battleground.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

If alliance go full defense at SHGY horde are not taking that GY, at least not without a long battle. Horde typically get SHGY when alliance split to move offensively.

Alliance can and do take and hold objectives in even numbers.

@Celldwellar-benediction

I’ll add: If alliance met us first at the IBT choke point like we do at SH, we would crush them there. And in the event we lost that fight, we would lose the battleground.

I’ll add that’s a stupid comparison considering IB is much more defensible.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Celldwellar-benediction

So you don’t see how having friendly NPCs all over the place, towers in two areas, and graveyard reinforcements 5 seconds away is an advantage?

I think the millennial term is yikes.

In all fairness SHB is fairly useless to alliance and a lot of the NPC’s around it are also not helpful for defense.

IBT and the NPC’s in that areas are much more effective as part of the IB defense.

[Getts-faerlina]

Yes… it can… you guys start halfway up the map and don’t deal with choke points… thats a huge advantage.

[Misadventure-herod]

@Getts-faerlina

you guys start halfway up the map and

It is statements like this that make you extremely dismissable.

[Scottxx-thunderfury]

The deadweight mathematically speaking cannot account to be such a large number over all of these games to be a <10% winrate.

Its not possible. Horde have casuals. Alliance have casuals. During AV weekend, more Hardcore people gravitate to the BG.

Also your argument about more bad players going to AV can be applied to horde as well.

But regardless, you cannot overcome the fact that Math is against you.

[Walthere-remulos]

Yes it’s always this one sided.

They move Horde entry in later patches, post Vanilla.

[Misadventure-herod]

@Scottxx-thunderfury

The deadweight mathematically speaking cannot account to be such a large number over all of these games to be a <10% winrate.

Making such a claim repeatedly does not make it factual. Pretending that you crunched numbers and your feels are backed up with imaginary math of some sort is just making you look absurd.

[Cayinasia-stormrage]

@Getts-faerlina

What I would love is to give us a weekend where alliance had the horde side and horde had the alliance side so they could see how actually awful it is.

Horde would throw an absolute fit if that happened. And the boards would be chock full of screenshots of peoples wins in AV, but they would all be alliance bragging about right they were about the map imbalance creating the hordes win rate.

I know that might sound funny for a second, but it would drown out every other discussion. There would be 30 threads a minute.

No thanks

[anon69126280]

Aye pure comedy gold…weasel words BS

defenders advantage …is like Jumbo Shrimp

or Virtually spotless.

[Jeezy-incendius]

@Celldwellar-benediction

You have to be able to win the first fight with all that support to be able to win other fights without it.

That doesn’t happen. Can’t really say good try.

I’ll add: If alliance met us first at the IBT choke point like we do at SH, we would crush them there. And in the event we lost that fight, we would lose the battleground.

Lololol comedy gold

Do you really not realize yet the reason you guys always take ibgy back and this doesn’t happen is because you have the cave right below it providing double the numbers per res wave lol? Not to mention cave is much closer than spgy is to shgy and you don’t need to fight through an uphill bottle neck when alliance do cap ibgy.

Absolutely hilarious how clueless you horde players are but yet feel the need to sit here explaining why alliance lose lol.