Have the graveyard spawns in AV always been so one sided?

It’s both.

Just simple math as far as graveyard timing and distance that the map favors the horde

Also there are bugs that send alliance to Aid station when at SF that you know nothing about.

Also Horde get a cave rez point instead of FW GY. Cave allows 20 respawns at time. SP GY allows 10.

I guess you don’t want a balanced map which would lead to better Q times.

Enjoy your 2h insta wins. Must be fun.

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You know, this is why in most newer games, Overwatch, CS GO, Spawn to point of conflict travel time being equal on both sides is a big design goal.

It’s not some figment of our imaginations, it’s just math.

But hey, if you are so good at the game, I welcome you to make an alt and try.

Show us a better way, mon.

Both irrelevant and false.

I assume you have the data provided to you by blizzard themselves, if so provide the full set of Data and Blizzards response

Also irrelevant because Alliance refused to look at the IBGY opportunity and take full advantage of it

Dont care about queue times and the map is fine, the problem is Alliance defeatism

We work for those wins, learn by example.

Yup, you are really dumb, moving on.

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Every alliance AV victory is proof you dont know what youre talking about.

you mean my 40% win rate during AV weekend

or my 15% win rate not during AV weekend

guys lets just face it. Horde are really good at the game.

alliance… wins… 1 out… of 50… wtf are you talking about… dude… i’m gone from neutral to almost revered and i’ve won once.

I wish I could play horde, but all the brain dead lemmings rolled horde and refuse to leave horde.

I’d rather play the game than not play the game.

you know those maps that are intentionally unbalanced in games, but it’s ok because you flip sides halfway through the match.

that’s how it is for alliance all the time.

That could be fun for a one-off in a map rotation. Not real fun when it’s the best pvp experience in the game and it never changes.

If everything alliance avatars said about AV is true you would win 0% of your games. If youre winning between 15 and 40 percent then the only reasonable explanation is youre blowing the map completely out of proportion and something other than the map needs to change.

You also have lord knows how many posts about how alliance in AV just dont put in the same effort towards winning as you do. The answer is right there for you.

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it’s pretty simple actually.

Horde is made up of rankers in epics.

Alliance is made up of sub 60s and and 60s in quest greens.

Rankers don’t play AV unless it’s AV weekend because they get less HPH with the 40/60 map advantage.

So with all that considered, yes morale is very low, and hence the defeatist attitude.

I used to think the defeatist attitude is the root of the problem. It’s still a problem, but maybe the map created that problem?

Who knows and neither will change. So just have fun trolling both factions in AV if you are Alliance, because that’s all we are left with.

Putting the amount of effort that is required to win games as Alliance is less fun than just sitting at SH and casting fireballs.

The margin of victory is extremely small. One slip up, one bad call, one stupid thing the herd of alliance do and it’s game over.

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The map cant fix that. I wish that were the case, I want good AVs too but thats a pill I just cant swallow. Its a hail mary at best.

It won’t fix it I agree, but some things might help to create more fun and interesting games more often.

  1. Make it so alliance don’t rez at Aid station when they are fighting at SF. (no brainer)
  2. Cave rezzes should be a last resort if all other GYs are lost
  3. Move the Horde cave back

Activision probably won’t do any of these and I can’t wait to move on to other games.

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Arathi Basin is well known to be the like AV.

Made to give horde first strike and capture positions at the outset.

And here is another little thing the pigs cadavers and hamburgers get i notice while queing in lower brackets.

Ally starts with few members until the opening is over.

Really pathetic blizz refuses to reply.

There so good they win with racial and map bonuses that are imbalanced.

The reality is even on AV weekend with the best possible teams you can reasonable expect in a pug and there’s no room for the trolls to say “git gud” alliance win rate only goes up marginally to 10-15%

So yeah it’s not a player issue.

Do trolls know how to open up youtube vids? Do their tusks get in the way or something? I’m wondering because I know I’ve shown you this before:

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ya, I just watched this vid, very enlightening. The fact that the horde he played with said in chat that the reason they win is because they have a head start.