Honest question for the devs. Do you have enough of the data you look at to justify giving windwalkers their much needed ST buffs?
Kill times are short and trinkets do 25% or more of our damage
Historically WW only goes down in statistics as the patch/tier progresses (consistent scaling issues for like 8yrs ongoing)
We need your help sooner than 10.1.5 or 10.2 devs
At the very least an acknowledgement of the fundamental design flaws that Windwalker has with regards to current content.
C O M M U N I C A T I O N
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It’s unlikely that they feel they have enough data after 3 days while there’s still a lot of flux as people move from S1 tier to S2 tier bonuses.
If they were to use current data for tuning, Windwalker is in the middle 1/3 for most bosses right now, even the ST ones, so that current data wouldn’t suggest any change is needed for WW.
Oh yeah I’m being a bit quick to it I understand. I’ve only dealt with it since BFA, but just tired of the same incompetence/silence we’ve had as a spec since then. But you and many others understand that frustration even more than me id guess
Despite the specter of very poor ST on the horizon, the spec has improved significantly since BfA and we’ve gotten a ton of attention and communication since then compared to all the years before that. It may not seem like we’ve gotten much, and it could always get better, but historically, SL was the most attention Windwalker has, maybe, ever gotten.
I can definitely agree it’s more attention than we’ve gotten historically. Just with it being fairly similar if not the same issues that happen it’s difficult to accept what I’d consider the bare minimum when warlocks and mages exist.
Hilariously, there may very well be not enough of us left to compile/generate the data.
That’s really not how data works, and the WW population has a long way to go before it would be small enough not to be able to draw statistical conclusions from the data.
Sorry did you say mage gets rework?
Yep. Sizable reworks too by the looks of it. Rune of Power is getting axed.
Yea… but it sure as heck feels like we’re becoming more and more of a dying breed with each patch.
Difference between conclusions and statistical conclusions? How smart I feel after using them.
Last I checked, in the middle of April, the WW population was nearly 5% of the Mythic parses. Historically, Windwalker hovers between 2.5-3.5% of the population, with the lowest being around 1.6%.
So still plenty of WW out there and a ways to go before the population is in “trouble”
That’s honestly really good to hear. Hopefully, we get enough numbers for Blizz to hear us.
*WW at bottom of all damage statistics except aoe in mythic plus
Blizzard: “Lets buff DKs, mages and DHs…”
Players: “please just give us breadcrumbs so we have hope”
Blizzard: “Did you say pallys need more buffs?”
Players: “WW Please, anything. Here are tons of examples of things that would fix it”
Blizzard: “Lets make locks meta AGAIN and hunters arent at the top, lets buff them”
What data are you looking at? Every damage statistic I’ve looked at doesn’t have WW at the bottom.
Specific data probably not available yet, but everyone besides blizzard knows what’s coming. Wherever we start be it ST or AOE we never scale well and always end up going lower in charts compared to every other spec. Now boomkin, DH, frost DK, all given minor changes while the most we see is pvp expel harm changes and talents only brew would ever use. And these other classes have now gotten tuning and hover around where we are.
I get trying to be civil with them but I don’t quite understand what feels like almost white knighting the devs who consistently keep WW from ever being more than sub-par and in your own words a “toxic” spec
If we are bottom 5 im considering that bottom. Quit being specific to try to defend some people from putting attention on WW to make it a viable spec that people want in their groups.
Why stop at bottom 5? Why not consider bottom 10? Or why not just say bottom 5 instead of bottom which assumes 1.
I’m not trying to defend Blizzard, I’ve done more in the last 10 years to advocate for WW than anyone else, and I’m more aware than most the state of things and the prognosis for the future, I’ve written it everywhere I can to try and educate people on what’s coming.
However, hyperbole and objectively false statements don’t do anything but make what you’re saying easier to ignore, so the point you’re trying to get across gets missed more easily.
Dude your a guidance counselor irl. If anyone should know the bottom 5 is considered the bottom it is you. Your under preforming kids are the bottom, not the bubble kids, definitely not your “TOP” or even average performers. They are 100% not the top 10% or even the top 50% and in fact the only hyperbolic statement you could use would to include WW monk in “Top” at all. So to any logical person WW is “Bottom”.
No, you have done more to chase people away from monk, with your cult like mentality, were your patreon payers attack people who post anything you don’t agree with. It’s gotten so bad, it has spilled over to the blizzard controlled forums now.
How about this data
or this from week 20
or this from from week 19
Or any of the other 5 months of data.
So que the patreon minions to attack and flag this post.
Que the justification that our BiS trinket and BiS ring from last tier are keeping us just outside of being dead last but still on the bottom by any logical state is some how not considered bottom. I sure hope you also coach gymnastics with all the mental gymnastics you’d be doing to say we are not bottom and won’t be sitting here all tier again.
/end rant
More things that make me question if you’re confusing me with someone else, I’m not a guidance counselor IRL.
Most of the data you linked is from before the ST buffs and all of its from another raid, so its irrelevant when discussing current tuning.