Hate blood elves want high elves?

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

wo wo wo. i thought this was about lore not skin tone

You thought wrong!

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

Oh ahah I see, I just scrolled up heh thanks!

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

All these alliance players want at the end of the day is to play fair skinned elfs.

Is it? Because that’s not a lot of what I’ve been reading. More of them are concerned about the name ‘high elf’ to the point they’d be happy if the alliance high elf story was folded into the Void Elves.
They say it’s not about skin color.
So…who is right, them or you?

[Aestoran-moon-guard]

More of them are concerned about the name ‘high elf’ to the point they’d be happy if the alliance high elf story was folded into the Void Elves.

Where on earth do you see a majority of anything on this topic? It’s a maelstrom of opinions that fluctuates constantly. In my opinion however, the reason that makes the most sense and would likely be the cause of anything happening at any point would be the foundation story already in place revolving around the Quel’dorei.

All this talk about skin tones and the like are valid, sure, there are people who want to just play a legolas character and don’t care about the lore (see blood elf population ratio to the rest of the game) but the main argument that holds any base (if any argument is going to hold its own) won’t be based around a desire for fair skinned elves on the Alliance.

[Thormus-hakkar]

This is my take as well, I love BE’s I love VE’s I love HE’s.

The NE vs BE feud - contrived
VE vs BE feud - lack luster
NB vs NE- actually really nice I want that touched up more on

NB BE friendship- makes sense VERY NICE
NE VE friendship- ?

I think HE’s working in tandem with VE’s would be cool I could see dialogue akin to NB and BE’s working together a sort of scoffing rivalry but authentic friendship where each Elf sorta thinks their the better mindset.

I like Void Elves a lot too. They don’t fill the High Elf “Void” if you will, but i still find them interesting. But I think we’re already at least moderately seeing the High Elves and Void Elves form a buddy/buddy partnership like the Blood Elves and Nightborne are. In Stormwind City there’s High Elves and Void Elves walking around the Mage Quarter together talking and hanging out.

High/Void Elves seem to be the Alliance’s main Elven partnership where as Voids and Night Elves don’t really interact much from what I remember.

[Dorp-emerald-dream]

I’m just sick of people pretending that they have the high ground on a matter of opinion and treating the people who don’t agree like they’re behaving badly

I don’t think most of the antis behave badly except for the few passive aggressive or pretentious ones.

I do find that all antis are misguided however, because it essentially comes down to them not wanting people, who are irrelevant to their lives, to play high elves (Not-blood elf high elves).
As if it’s taking something away from them when someone else plays a race that’s already established in the game.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

I like Void Elves a lot too. They don’t fill the High Elf “Void” if you will, but i still find them interesting.

I’ll say this, Void Elves fill a niche and interesting story narrative that had the devs wanted to they could have put HE’s as the base for population instead of former BE’s and they did not…?
They have been said to be divided on HE’s and here is an example of that division, they are holding them in reserve and can put them in anytime.

But I think we’re already at least moderately seeing the High Elves and Void Elves form a buddy/buddy partnership like the Blood Elves and Nightborne are. In Stormwind City there’s High Elves and Void Elves walking around the Mage Quarter together talking and hanging out.

Eh I think the HE’s and BE’s in Telogorus are there studying Void, the numbers argument I think people say is universally discredited but I just take it as some HE’s and BE’s want to study the Void now. As for the HE’s and VE’s in SW I guess they just sorta walk around though…

I want like authentic mini quest areas where they play off each other like in Zuldazar, I could see a HE doing something and then a VE doing it faster through void means and the HE being both aghast and oddly impressed. etc

High/Void Elves seem to be the Alliance’s main Elven partnership where as Voids and Night Elves don’t really interact much from what I remember.

And Shandris in the war campaign with Umbric showed the usual Night Elven “No new friends” type attitude they seem to only have for other Elves lol.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

I do find that all antis are misguided however, because it essentially comes down to them not wanting people, who are irrelevant to their lives, to play high elves (Not-blood elf high elves).
As if it’s taking something away from them when someone else plays a race that’s already established in the game.

I don’t really think it’s a personal matter, to some… maybe, but some people have a legitimate reason that they don’t want them though. I commend some for their continued opposition and the energy behind it. All we can do is discuss the subject.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

but some people have a legitimate reason that they don’t want them though. I commend some for their continued opposition and the energy behind it. All we can do is discuss the subject.

THANK YOU! Finally someone who gets it

[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord-902227]

BTW the sunreavers were not innocent at all…it wasn’t just a “blind eye” they actively helped by opening the portal:

you know aethas himself came to defend theramore with the kirin tor and was the deciding vote to get involved right? all he did was turn a blind eye to the horde moving the bell through dalaran when he found out about it. the actions of a few sunreavers does not represent them as a whole

its like saying the actions of a couple SC elves who were taking advantage of the situation to settle grudges during the purge is representative of them overall. that all of them behaved amorally

they were innocent. the sunreavers just opened the portal for fanlyr silverthorn and the player in darnassus. the mission is secret and even fanlyr says

the Sunreavers of Dalaran are risking their neutrality by assisting the Horde with this operation. In other words, we expect only the best from you.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Fanlyr_Silverthorn

he was basically forced into helping garrosh. just like the elves who helped make the bomb. if they refused what do you think garrosh would have done to their people? this is probably why aethas turned a blind eye as well. if garrosh found out he cost them the bell he would have taken it out on his people. this kind of treatment is why theron was back channeling with varian to flip

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

Uncle Lorry does.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

I came to this Understanding with Murg and a few others a long time ago.

Not that I’ll ever roll over and not continue my case for them either

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Don’t expect you to, just nice after the last day to see someone else say that it’s all kind of opinion based and that there’s issues both sides have that concern them and are real.

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

I came to this Understanding with Murg and a few others a long time ago.

Not that I’ll ever roll over and not continue my case for them either

I don’t know about anyone else but I’ve never even considered any of us would change our minds.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

It does seem hard for people to not get personal at times. This format of discussion and debate really leaves a lot of interpretation for the posters tone, text format always, even sub consciously, can appear rude to the reader.

[Thormus-hakkar]

I’ll say this, Void Elves fill a niche and interesting story narrative that had the devs wanted to they could have put HE’s as the base for population instead of former BE’s and they did not…?
They have been said to be divided on HE’s and here is an example of that division, they are holding them in reserve and can put them in anytime.

I agree with that. I think the fact Void Elves were drawn from the Blood Elves speaks volumes about the internal division on the High Elf issue. If they really wanted to end the High Elf debate all of the High Elves would have been converted.

[Aestoran-moon-guard]

That’s awesome. I love morally grey when its actually morally grey. Does the Alliance, Silver Covenant, or any other involved party (lore-wise, not players who can make decisions based off of what they know outside the world) care? Do they even know? Would they care to know? Probably not, and it’ll feed more conflict, which I absolutely love.

It’s why I’ve always loved Jaina’s storyline. To this day I wish I could scream at her that she wasn’t wrong to care for the Horde, but eagerly at the same time stand beside her to fight tooth and nail.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Totally agree, I try to remember that, still get frustrated like everyone does. And have a few things like this that are personal pet peeves.

I’ve always kinda hoped the regulars can just admit we’re not really making major headway against the opposite side and just have these be lounge threads where we mainly just talk with people we’ve been talking with for ages now. Since I mean, this is all just in game preferences it’s not like it’s anything major that means we can’t get along on other topics.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

I don’t know about anyone else but I’ve never even considered any of us would change our minds.

A few have changed over both ways, but it’s not as though we keep tabs either

[Starlagosa-dentarg (Starlagosa)]

Sure. I just don’t discuss this topic in anticipation that anyone’s mind is going to be changed.