Has M+ gear rewards ruined raiding?

M+ drops hero track gear
H-Raid drops hero track gear

M+ can get myth track from vault
M-Raid can get myth track from drops and vault

Youā€™re probably right, but thereā€™s really nothing we can do to ensure Blizzard doesnā€™t monkey paw the solution. Thereā€™s absolutely nothing wrong and if fact itā€™s probably quite healthy to have rewards that are out of reach for most players of a given content type.

Yeah I actually suggested a rough idea for an alternative way to do raid vault. This is not a fully fleshed out idea and real numbers would need to be worked out in a final solution, but Iā€™d be curious on your opinion of the general idea.

What if rather than slots opening based on raid kill there you would open slots based on a point sm system called raid points (RP). The slots open at 200, 400, and then 700 RP. Killing a boss gives you 100 RP (so killing bosses is the same rate as today). But then each pull where you make progress on a boss you get some amount of RP; again Iā€™m not sure what the amount of RP should be, but Iā€™m sure some algorithm could be devised.

Yeah I thought it might run into such an issue. I personally wouldnā€™t take advantage of this so will defer to someone who is more of a raider than myself.

Maybe not, but itā€™s my least favorite of the options so Iā€™d prefer to see the other ideas tried first.

The gearing is in response to what players want to play. Look at the poll they did in May for most played modes.

It was like M+ first, Hardcore WoW, and raiding of any kind was at the bottom

More like that the way you design the game will impact the type of players that play it.
By adding a lot of focus on M+ they grew that market, they still lost elsewhere.
If you add classic raiding and retail raiding it would still beat M+ in that poll.

We used to raid for gear and fun socialization. Now we get the gear from the mythic plus and use it to plow over bosses.

WoW has adjusted its numbers for this making mythic plus gearing a passive requirement to raid. This is where the problem lies. There is nothing wrong with raiding or mythic plus. The problem is that the two are bound at the hip and if you like raiding but not mythic plus your choice is removed by popular demand.

If Blizzard can separate the two systems the complaints would stop from one side and start on the other.

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That is why there is a huge survivorship bias that exists among retail WoW players.

It is funny watching how easily these players are milked now.

What content from the pre-mythic+ era do you think is being sacrificed for the mythic+ era?

Classic halls?
Mega dungeons?
Visions?
Mage tower?
Torghast?
Warfronts?
Islands?
World events?

Hey, it could be worse:

We could be playing Diablo 4ā€¦ :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

ā€¦or Overwatch ā€œ2ā€!!! :rofl:

I only do mythics to get gear 5 - 10 levels lower than raid. No one says you must mythic+

You do you.

Last I checked dungeon gear capped at 483 with @ single 489 at the end of the week at random. Meanwhile you can mythic raid and get multiple upgrades in a single run.

Whatā€™s the problem again?

From the sod alt playing super recycled content made to look new and original without a fresh coat of paint.

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SoD has new content buddy

That mythic+ is LFR level difficulty (almost
Impossible to fail even with horrible play) for 20s giving uncapped heroic raid gear, mythic track gear in the vault, and the only realistic source of aspect crests which includes hero track upgrades and 486 upgrades gear?

Cā€™mon now, this is a gross exaggeration. :roll_eyes:

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Yes LFR actually takes more time just because of the queue and requires you to succeed in the content to get loot unlike M+ which still gives you loot for untimed keys :slight_smile:

Wait, so, if I go into a +20 and brick the key, and I do this 1, 4, 8 times, Iā€™ll get to choose a 483 item from the vault at weekā€™s end? :open_mouth:

Pretty much how I got my vault first week.

What about the 14-15 other weeks? :thinking:

Stomped them up to +24 even with 20 deaths because the content is so easy this season :stuck_out_tongue:

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I apologies for the hyperbole.

Itā€™s possible to fail in LFR after all.