Has M+ gear rewards ruined raiding?

[Xenia-turalyon]

@Brewa-hyjal

I remember when it came out, they got me for a season. I farmed up the leather boots from Eye of Azshara.

Then the next tier came out, and they just extended the illvl on new drops, and I was like… “Wait, so now I have to start running the dungeon all over again, to get the same pair of boots I’m already wearing. Again?”

Well, we have rotating dungeons now that address this. And yet…

@Drunne-whitemane

The bigger issue that no one talks about is how lazy Blizzard has been at actually making new content that people that don’t want to raid. M+ was a bandaid fix here, and it was a lame one at that. They basically didn’t really make any new content here, they just added infinitely scaling content of content they would have made anyway for a new expansion.

Extremely lazy on their part, and it shows the current developers don’t have a clue how WoW operated for over a decade.

@Drunne-whitemane

Yep, this is a very telling sign that M+ isn’t as popular as people think it is, because if it was, we would be getting more 5 man dungeons.

So, if we got 8 new (as in, completely new, never before seen) M+ dungeons every season, you, what? Would you be happy with that? You wouldn’t, say, take to the forums and rage at Blizzard trying to shove a game mode down players’ throats, a game mode that you claim almost no one enjoys.

@Drunne-whitemane

It is funny seeing the same names over and over again trying to defend M+. I had to put so many of these guys on ignore, because their arguments are boring and all just very tiring.

Because you keep ignoring arguments from players who disagree with you.

On another thread, I saw you fight with Akston over whether Blizzard would be able to pump out new, non-repeatable content on a consistent, high-frequency basis. (Though as far as I got in that thread, you never actually specified what this frequency would be.) Akston and others clearly pointed out that no developer, and especially not Blizzard, has ever been able to deliver on this fountain of content you keep insisting is possible.

RE: M+ gearing affecting raids, we’ve had several threads over the past few months on this topic, and each and every time, the M+ players, particularly the usual suspects, have agreed that M+ may be too generous with gear and that we’d be perfectly fine with adjustments to M+ and raid gear so that the raiders didn’t feel “forced” to do M+ when they did not want to. Again, this has happened MULTIPLE times on MULTIPLE threads.

And yet:

@Drunne-whitemane

Completely clueless players as the negative impact M+ has had on the game.

So, yeah, if you keep ignoring posts, players and arguments that, regardless of whether they agree with you or not, are counter to the quoted narrative about how you feel about M+ players, then, yeah, you’re going to get a lot of players pushing back with the same old, same old points.