Harder and harder to justify paying for WoW

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Pandemik-skyfury

It’s not like someone in the blizzard office will read your post and be like

Wwll, if enough people quit for similar reasons they probably sit up and notice - they just never let us see them bleed.

[Larilostra-aegwynn]

Stop then. It’s a game.

If you are justifying paying for a game then you’re doing it wrong. It’s fun and you enjoy it, or you don’t. The only question should he is whether or not your bills are paid.

[Ptyranidur-kelthuzad]

I agree with the OP, specifically the fact that they should do better. They should have hired UX Designers actually playing the game.

And as people said above, the simple fact that you can’t move target of target shows how meh this feature is. I was really hype by all this, but in the end, I just installed Bartender again which allows me to move bags, system tray, etc. And also have better buttons. I thought alternative buttons for the UI was in this feature but I was wrong.

It’s Still better than the original UI though.

[Thundahstahm-stormrage]

A lvl 12 with 78 posts. Def not an alt of someone already in this argument

[Pallidrome-dalaran (Pallidrome)]

@Thundahstahm-stormrage

The majority of WoW players don’t use addons.

CurseForge says otherwise.

[Evilbadguy-malganis (Evilbadguy)]

@Dalans-shadowstrike

People make free addons that are more customizable than this “brand new feature” and selling point of a AAA game…

This is a hilariously bad argument to make for your case when the vast majority of these people are having an extremely difficult time even setting up the super basic UI Blizzard added, there’s no chance they could handle something more advanced like elvUi etc…

[Anxxy-area-52]

i’m gonna be honest, wow is probably really bang for your buck in terms of hours spent and entertainment

[Fredfelstone-proudmoore]

@Shreds-wyrmrest-accord

Frankly, as the years go by, it’s harder and harder to justify paying for The McRib.
It’s not like The McRib is cheap; yet the quality of the riblet, the quality of the pickles is just bad. The quality of the slivered onions is just disrespectful; from the sauce, to the bun, to the container provided.

The new McRib is bad. You had a recipe you could follow. People have been slaving away in the kitchen. You know why people like extra sauce, extra meat, extra onion, etc…Yet, you barely address any of this with the new McRib. Really, you have the same exact McRib elements, they are just inedible now. The main reason people bring BBQ sauce from home, is that your McRib simply fails at having sauce.

The information provided by the McDonald’s website is all over place and poorly accessible. A clear example are McFlurries: oreos, M&Ms, Heath chunks, etc… You put those in the McFlurry machine, which has a bazillion mechanical parts. In addition to having never been cleaned; we don’t know how and we don’t pay anyone enough to learn. Why not have all sandwiches be available all year long? People can then decide what to eat based on what is shown on the menu. There are many other examples of poor sandwich design that can be remedied by simple solutions.

McDonald’s uses cheese for aesthetics and to control the real estate of the patty. Why are you preventing people from ordering American Cheese on their McRib Glizzy? I use deli deluxe when I get The McRib home, I don’t need that old waxy American they put on McDoubles. But why can’t they offer it with cheese anyway? Why do I need to bring my own cheese to a restaurant that has their own cheese?

You need to do better. It’s shameful that you rely on nostalgia to provide a basic flavor for this cheap monstrosity you have the audacity to call The McRib. Really, just basic edible stuff would be enough to eliminate the need for supplemental trips to Burger King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrSsjdzlUSw

I dislike you as a person, but this post was amazing. Well done.

[Thundahstahm-stormrage]

What does it say?

[Dagrk-area-52]

A lot of comments along the same lines…

When I say WoW is not cheap, it’s in comparison to other games (I should have specified that). It’s to support the proposition that WoW makes a lot of money for Blizzard, much more than just about every other game out there. When I say it’s hard to justify paying for WoW; it’s a comment on the quality of the software/service they offer. That argument has nothing to do with me deciding between a big mac and WoW. Although, if so many interpret it that way, it might have been poorly structured or worded.

On people telling me to just quit; that is just such an irrelevant response. For all you know, I might really enjoy the game or I might not; despite what I think of their UI and the quality of their software. I am simply providing feedback to Blizzard.

The reality is that people focus on the first paragraph and completely disregard the other four paragraphs. Which, after all these years, is still typical of internet arguments. The point I am trying to make (and failing apparently), is that Blizzard can do better. UI is one of those areas.

[Pallidrome-dalaran (Pallidrome)]

DBM > 397.1M downloads
Raider IO > 213.4M downloads
Details! > 123.8M downloads
WeakAuras > 130.5M downloads
Recount > 115.9M downloads
AtlasLoot > 61.5M downloads

[Thundahstahm-stormrage]

And this tells you what? Walk me through it.

[Echab-zuljin]

@Thundahstahm-stormrage

@Dagrk-area-52

Your new UI is just bad. You had a recipe you could follow. People have been slaving away on mods. You know why people use Weak Auras, Plater, etc… Yet, you barely address any of this with the new UI.

The majority of WoW players don’t use addons.

DBM, Weakauras and damage meters are pretty much standard for anyone running heroic or mythic raids. The recent change was due to so many players using an addon for UI and bags. No different than way back when Blizzard finally added a quest tracker to game due to popularity of questie. Everyone I know that plays this game uses an addon of some sort. If addons weren’t popular or used by so many players, those changes would have never been made to the game. So I highly doubt your claim.

[Thundahstahm-stormrage]

@Dagrk-area-52

Your new UI is just bad. You had a recipe you could follow. People have been slaving away on mods. You know why people use Weak Auras, Plater, etc…

This is what the the thread is about.

@Echab-zuljin

DBM, Weakauras and damage meters are pretty much standard for anyone running heroic or mythic raids.

Are these addons adding templates that Blizzard could have provided insight for the new UI?

[Soundbombing-thrall]

@Baodatu-grizzly-hills

You’re going the wrong way

“Oh he’s drunk! How would he know where we’re going?”

[Truebro-grobbulus]

Stop crying and go to fortnite where you belong.

[Umbry-moon-guard]

@Dagrk-area-52

Frankly, as the years go by, it’s harder and harder to justify paying for this game.
It’s not like this game is cheap; yet the quality of the software, the quality of the service is just bad. The quality of this pre-patch is just disrespectful; from the downtime, to the bugs, to the features provided.

Your new UI is just bad. You had a recipe you could follow. People have been slaving away on mods. You know why people use Weak Auras, Plater, etc… Yet, you barely address any of this with the new UI. Really, you have the same exact UI elements, they are just movable now. The main reason people use addons, is that your UI elements simply fail at doing UI things.

The information provided by the default UI is all over place and poorly accessible. A clear example are shaman healing procs: tidal wave, flash flood, etc… You put those in the buffs bar, which has a bazillion things already. In addition to having no clear structure; the icon for these procs can be any where in that bar. Why not have all procs and passive effect be draggable to an action bar? People can then decide where a proc effect is visible on the screen. There are many other examples of poor UI decision that can be remedied by simple solutions.

People use addons for aesthetics and to control the real estate of the UI. Why are you preventing people from hiding some of the UI elements? I use key bindings, I don’t need visible action bars to click things. Why can’t I hide the 1st action bar? Why do I need a unit frame for my character, if I am in a party? The list goes on…

You need to do better. It’s shameful that you rely on addons to provide a basic functional UI for any type of remotely competitive gameplay. Really, just basic functional stuff would be enough to eliminate the need for addons for most.

Then don’t pay for it. Stop playing.

That’s literally the answer to your problems.

[Umbry-moon-guard]

@Pallidrome-dalaran

@Thundahstahm-stormrage

The majority of WoW players don’t use addons.

CurseForge says otherwise.

No, it doesn’t. CurseForge has a total life of downloads. We have no idea the total life of players and how many times they have needed to re-download mods.

I’ve redownloaded mods on like ten separate occasions off the top of my head. The only people complaining about the UI are people who don’t intend to use Mods for it. And considering how many posts of people whining exist about the UI? Oof, I’d say there’s quite a few who use Blizz’s UI.

[Feralscar-elune]

@Briselody-lightnings-blade

Then don’t.

You know, you don’t have to foam at the mouth like a rabid animal everytime someone wants to critique your sweet Activislon BIizzard

[Leøfric-grobbulus]

Let’s say there are 1000 guilds that raid seriously, let’s say that each guild has atleast 1 25 man raid, that’s 25,000 people . That’s alot . And I’m probably being quite generous to the contrary.

Nay, I’m most definitely being generous to the contrary. Even semi casual guilds often require their Raiders atleast use DBM.