Hand of A'dal Achievement

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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Hi and greetings,

Hopefully the community will add lots of comments, etc to invoke a blue post on the item.

First, let me explain a bit about how the achievement was supposed to work.

Blizzard did want the achievement and title to feel like an accomplishment, and available to those who completed the attunements to Mt Hyjal and Black Temple prior to Wrath’s release. Once Wrath was released Blizzard decided to still allow players who were previously working on the achievement to complete it, by creating a ‘gate’ via the Vials of Eternity quest. They ‘removed’ quest ID 10445, and replaced it with quest ID 13432. This means if you have the initial quest (and don’t abandon it or delete it) of 10445, you were able to complete the ‘attunement’ and collect on the achievement. You also needed to finish the quest “A Distraction for Akama”, quest id 10985, but that quest line was not gated.

When I, and some other guildies, recently completed the quest line for A Distraction for Akama (after previously completing the Vial of Eternity quest 10445), we were not awarded the ticket. After several back and forths with some very nice GM’s via support tickets, we were informed that the achievement and title had been removed, regardless of if you completed the correct, pre-Wrath quest.

I am concerned and want to see if we can get a blue post on this topic. Mainly because it feels more like an error to a confusing achievement, than it does that this was purposely removed. I scoured the forums, and patch notes, and could find no mention of this achievement being removed. There was an article 12464 (https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/000012464) that mentions the achievement is not available, but that seems to be for the retail version, where the gated quest is well over a decade old and most likely no longer in anyone’s quest log in retail.
Normally, on removing achievements Blizzard provides a warning, to give people a chance to complete them prior to removing it. I was unable to find anything, which leads me to strongly believe that removing the achievement in classic Wrath was unintentional.

Can we see if we can get a blue post on this to confirm that, “Yes, the achievement was in fact removed all together, regardless of which version of the Vials of Eternity quest you complete” or, as I expect, that the achievement was removed in error and by completing the quest 10445 (in conjunction with quest10985) should have awarded the achievement and title? Or, if this for some reason was preannounced and I missed it (and couldn’t find it after scouring the forums), can someone point me to that?

Thanks, and I appreciate any help the community may have on getting Blizzard to look into this for me (and of course several guildies).

Thanks!

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Achievements did not exist prior to wrath therefore this was no achievement in tbc

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idk about later phases, but i do know on my druid i was able to get the achievement and title during the prepatch because someone shared the quest with me. so at the very least it was still available during prepatch

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The quest IDs we’re updated as you posted in the 3.0 patch. This was a change made back in 2008 and was well telegraphed.

Only Champion of the N’aaru is feasible to complete post 3.0 patch, because the quest ID for the turn in of the objects was the quest ID that granted the title. For Hand of A’dal, there we’re subsequent quests after mount hyjal drop turn in. So even having the correct quest ID from back in TBC before the 3.0 patch means you cannot get Hand of A’dal if you progress the quest after the 3.0 patch.

You might be able to get Hand of A’dal if someone has the quest ID of the follow up quest after the hyjal drop turn in quest. But not sure if that’s shareable to someone who only has the new quest ID variant completed.

EDIT: You didnt mention it, so maybe you didn’t find it, but A Distraction for Akama ID is now 13429, updated in the 3.0 patch. There is a comment from 2010 on 13429 that says if you started Ruse of the Ashtongue before WotLK, then the follow up quests would still follow the old quest ID order. Not entirely sure how accurate that is now a days though.

do all of these return true?
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(10985))
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(10445))

Also, I just checked on my character with Hand of A’dal, and
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(13429))
/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(13432))
both returned false while the TBC variants returned true.

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I have been trying to complete this quest chain as well, the goal being to get the “Hand of A’dal” title; not necessarily the achievement, which as referenced in an above post, is not attainable as the whole achievement thing didn’t come in until WotLK.

I have also done EXTENSIVE research into this issue. From how I see it, the intial “Vials of Eternity” quest ID#10445, was linked to the final quest in the chain, "A Distraction for “Akama” quest ID#10985, to complete/grant the title.

With the release of WotLK the “Hand of A’dal” title was gated after the original “Vials of Eternity” quest, making it unattainble for those that did not play TBC Classic when it was realeased, yet still attainable for those with the original quest ID#10445.

After WotLK “Vials of Eternity” is now quest ID#13432 and “A Distraction for Akama” is questID#13429.

What seems to be happening is that quest ID#10445 has been mistakenly linked to quest ID#13429, causing the players with the original “Vials of Eternity” quest to not receive the title on completion.

Going through years of posts on this topic it is very clear that Blizzard intended for this title to remain achievable for those with the original quest after the WotLK release.

It has been extremely frustrating getting the run around/conflicting/inaccutare information from in-game support on this issue. The Classic players are a huge customer base that have brought Warcraft back to the forefront your business Blizzard. It would be nice to have some of your attention on this issue, either acknowledging a mistake on your part and trying to make the correction, or giving us some concrete/accurate information as to when/why this is title is no longer achievable as so many of your customers have been made to believe it was.

Much thanks from a very loyal and supportive Blizzard customer. : )

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Like 4 or 5 comments down, there is a person saying they spoke with a GM saying that the old quest granting the achievement was NOT intended.

So just because people CAN get it with the old quest, doesnt mean it was intended that it would work that way.

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Hi Euphorazine,

Thanks for taking the time to reply, and the research you did.
I do want to say that I think what you are saying sort of shows the confusing aspects of the achievement. On my initial ticket I have a GM saying that I needed to complete the newer version of Vials of Eternity (which I believe is clearly wrong, as everything on Wowhead is showing it is only available with the older version of the quest), and some other confliction information. As much as I respect the GM’s for what they do, I know that the game (and this quest in particular) can be very confusing, and they (as all of us are) are subject to make mistakes (and maybe they did not in this case, idk).

I think if Blizzard hadn’t intended to ‘gate’ the title and achievement, then it makes no sense why they would change the quest IDs? That sounds like they wanted to give the folks a chance to complete the questline and get the title, but only those who had progressed sufficiently on the chain. That makes sense to me, and explains why they would put in duplicates of the quests with different ID’s…in order to gate the ones who completed it versus the ones who haven’t. And from the sounds of the comments on Wowhead, that is how the achievements went.

Of course I understand that because it makes sense to me, doesn’t mean that is how it was intended. That is why I would ideally like to see this get a blue post. I’ll be happy to go to Wowhead and put whatever updated information there, in the event that Blizzard does a relaunch of TBC in hopes to avoid the confusion. But I do know of at least a few people who said “Well, no rush on getting this part done pre-patch, since it clearly is showing on wowhead that you just need to have the original quests in your logs before prepatch, and you can complete it whenever you have time”

I was lucky enough to complete the title on another character, so if this progresses to Cata when the titles become account-wide it is moot for me, but some others I know were working on this and were under the same assumptions that I had (and that the general Wowhead site suggests is correct).

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did you try those in game scripts i posted? what was the results?

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Yea, might be poorly phrased. Prior to prepatch it was just a title, but prepatch and later it was the achievement/title. :slight_smile:

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I’ve recently just completed the entire vials of eternity questline, starting from “Vials of Eternity#10445” and ending with “A Distration for Akama#13429”. Both results now show true on the script. A Distration For Akama was supposedly meant to be #10985 which it wasn’t and has now bricked my account from recieving the title, with me having the questline started prior to WOTLK pre patch. Not sure what more I can do but I thought I’d share my experience to hopefully prevent people spending weeks of their time for a lost cause.

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