instead of nerfing the top healer why didn’t they buff the other underperforming ones to be on par with them? just curious on others opinions
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did hpal get nerfed this tuesday or are u refering to last weeks
Nvm, if you look at AWC and ladder, Hpal deserve a nerf. It’s probably not enough, more nerfs coming homie.
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I mean, it’s a bursty 1 shot meta. You need the healer that can perform against that.
Depending on how far the hpal nerfs go, and the lack of buffs to other healers - this’ll only incentivize the 1-shot meta even more.
Personally, I don’t see that being healthy to the game.
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Because hpala is so far ahead of other healers that no reasonable buff would bring other healers on hpala level.
Yeah, that’s a reach.
That is a separate issue. You don’t fix he busted meta by buffing healers. You fix the busted meta by nerfing damage output or reducing CC.
Based on your opinion. I disagree.
You can split hairs and argue both sides of the coin. Nerfing healers, without any significant changes to the current damage out-put is definitely not helping, now is it?
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Bc no one at blizzard plays healers, they are all mouth breathing dps players. That’s why there has been 0 buffs to healers but they give 5% dmg buff to all the dps every two weeks. Meanwhile my rdruid has been unplayable in pvp for the entire xpac.
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tldr
All specs are viable rn, and should be, but when you have one class that can do everything at its highest level, then you hit a brick wall
Resto shamans: shlt damage
Resto druids: low damage
Holy Priest: shlt damage
Disc Priest: Top damage
Holy Pala: Top damage
MW monk: shlt damage / okay damage (fistweaving)
But also top healing? Holy Pala, resto shaman and DiscP, and tankiest healer? Holy pala, and utility wise? HPala is mandatory for aura mastery, pala baseline kit has loads of uti. Mana problems? all but Resto shamans and Hpalas, and Holy Palas even less so (they never, ever dip below 40% mana)
PvP? Only Disc and HPala, M+? Resto shaman and HPala
Basically, anywhere, everywhere, Hpala does good, in every aspect, does good and very good, unlike the rest that have a clear lacking side, such as damage or mana, etc.
So for that, it’s not about buffing everyone else, but rather, nerfing the overperforming to put it in line with the rest, that are already good. That also applies to resto shaman, and Disc, Disc has a nerf incoming, a chunky nerf, pala has a mini nerf, resto still pending for even another nerf (had the less rainfall and overall healing)
This.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe some things with hpal needed toned down a bit. However one of the main reasons hpal is so good is due to their ability to respond so quickly to a burst… If they take that away while keeping other heals as bad as they are, this bursty one shot meta is gonna feel so horrible (imo)
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But they have stupid kiting ability. So, they should have low damage.
Can you imagine if their healing and damage was buffed? They’d be in a better spot than hpals pre-nerf.
They can literally turn into a f’ing deer and fly half way across the map.
That can shape shift, without CD and remove Chains of Ice, as an example, at any time.
Most annoying healer in the world for a melee to get their hands on. Good for them but my god lol
yeah yeah remember to quote what I said above
All classes have strengths, but it’s clear one has it all, can do good in literally every scenario, while you don’t see Rdruids in arenas much
Huh… that’s a nice way of describing monk actually
I agree shadow resist aura needs a nerf
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There was a thread in the general forums about Hpals doing 12k DPS with lust over the course of 40 seconds.
I mean it’s completely whack the disparity between healers. Mistweaver is lacking in every faucet of the game. I predict they are going to get some decent buffs either in 9.0.5 or 9.1.
We’ll also probably get another power system to get more powerful in 9.1. Blizzard could give underperforming specs some good borrowed power abilities like reduced cooldown on cocoon etc.
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ive never seen someone be incorrect about literally EVERY part of their post.
congrats sir have a chicken tendie
Ur fried, lay off the claws.
I personally still feel people playing hpal are mostly refugees from the other heal specs. A few of my friends were thrilled to play rsham in the beginning and then saw the meta change into this insane burst meta. The swap is due to rets/ww/and one shot casters. I would wage rmost hpals dont like the current playstyle as we tried for months to get it fixed in beta.
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That’s true, you have never seen that since mine isn’t
Unless you wanna argue that Holy Priest damage isn’t shlt, that resto shaman isn’t shlt, that Holy Pala damage isn´t top tier
Or you may just be in denial.
Let’s see the top 100 ranked for damage among healers
(https:// www .warcraftlogs.$com/zone/rankings/26/#class=Healers&boss=-1)
How many Holy Palas are there? If I was that “wrong” there would not be that many, rather, more druids, more MW, holy priests and shamans
What about this log:
(https:// www .warcraftlogs.$com/zone/rankings/26/#class=Healers)
(https:// www .warcraftlogs.$com/zone/rankings/26/#class=Healers&difficulty=4)
When you check damage done by the highest rated Druid in the logs, 1.4k
Check Hpala, 4.2k
You know, if I were so wrong, those numbers would be backwards, don’t you think?
Now, what else could I be wrong, as you said “literally every part”
Top healing: Holy Pala, Resto Shaman and DiscP
(https:// raider. io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards#role=healer:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=20:maxMythicLevel=99)
I could have included Resto Druids, but they’re getting buffed, while the 3 specs i mentioned either got nerfed (resto shaman) or have nerfs planned (Hpala and Disc)
that’s M+, what about raid?
(https:// www. warcraftlogs .com/zone/statistics/26/#metric=hps)
Those 3 at the top are… MW monk, Holy Priest and Resto Druid, right? Bc i was so wrong, that means those must be and not the ones I mentioned… since i was wrong 
Oh wait… no, looks like the only person in the utter wrong here is you, how sad. Gordon said it best: You are in denial
It’s gonna take more than some uninformed bimbo to fry me boi
all they did was make it so that mana is a thing for y’all like every other healer. The also buffed mw to get their mana regen in line with everyone else. Seems like these changes are working too