Does anyone else want to get the talbuk mounts? I think it would be cool if the dalaran-US server in november 23, 4:00pm EST time can have a big world pvp battle so we can get the mount in a fair way that the GM’s will not get mad ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
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Just was talking about this with Alphon not long ago. It just really depends on the communities. Most of the communities goal is to grow WPvP, but there’s a select few that are pretty juvenile so it’s hard to say if anyone will respect anything coordinated.
IE: Camping or bringing in more players than agreed upon. It is WPvP, but I think the last bridge to be built is the ones between Horde and Alliance communities to make stuff of this magnitude happen.
I think there’s more of a chance in localized groups, but on a big scale, it is up in the air.
So do it uncoordinated. That’s how world PVP is supposed to be, anyway.
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If you are wanting to do world PvP and do world PvP and the GMs get mad, that is on blizzard for poor design/whatever - not on you. JMO ![:cowboy_hat_face:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/cowboy_hat_face.png?v=6" ":cowboy_hat_face:")
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There’s no harm in coordinating some things. Yea, yea we can throw the ‘War Mode happened’ but some things are worth a bit of coordination.
You’re not always likely to find a raid in Outlands, or hanging out in say Gilneas.
A bit of coordination wouldn’t hurt to fight in some areas that are left to languish because Blizz doesn’t have the foresight to add something as popular as War Mode. So again, as a community, it falls to us to create some organization for something that, win or lose, can be fun.
Well, of course it’s Blizzard’s fault for poor design, but that’s not going to stop them from banning or suspending anyone.
If they don’t like something, they can easily ban or suspend people without proper reason. I don’t think giving advice out like, “Go ahead, do it, who cares if you crash the server it’s not your fault for having fun.” is good advice, it’ll cause more harm than good.
It’s really impossible to coordinate anything. In the case of what happened today in Hellfire, it was a perfect example. The WPvP that’s been happening in Hellfire have been going on for a long time. I didn’t get to get into detail about it, but there was a strong WPvP community in Hellfire back in Legion. Everyone knew each other.
The fight that was happening today in Hellfire started out with Alliance camping Thrallmar. A good 9-10 of them with a total of 4 healers. A few friends of mine decided we wanted to put a stop to it. We had me, another Disc priest, a Fire Mage, an Affliction Warlock, and an Assassination Rogue meet the Alliance group at Broken Hill. Surprisingly, us 5 took down the 9-10 Alliance even though we were outnumbered. They brought more people, around 15 total, so our group brought in more as well. It was eventually an even fight, with 17v17 on both sides, going back and forth with win/loss about equal.
The Alliance group really ruined it when they decided to bring in Cryptids League/Anduin’s Knights. Sorry to say, everything was really fun up until that point. They weren’t really in it for the fun of WPvP.
No I get what you’re saying. Often we only come if we’re called.
Coordination CAN happen, but it’s down to who is going to trust who first.
If someone pushes an enemy out, will they just sit and camp and pick everyone off as they rez? Or will they pull out and get ready to go again? That’s kind of what I’m referring to.
Some of the most enjoyable WPvP is the spontaneous kind. I posted about a real fun fight doing the Azerite Mining in Stormsong and it was very fun, but more so, the fact that we had Alliance willing and able to fight was an entirely refreshing thing.
What we’re doing as a community is working, we just got to move away from trolling/flaming one another.
Isn’t the whole point of being called though if somebody really needs help? To the point they’re being camped?
I get it, you guys come out whenever somebody needs help, but what happened in Hellfire today… I don’t think the Alliance “needed” help. It was a back and forth thing as I said. They certainly weren’t out numbered and they certainly weren’t being camped.
Like I told ya earlier today, I’m just a ‘good soldier’, I go where I’m told xD
Not that anyone was camping anyone in that situation, I’m referring to, if we get something organized, will it boil down to that kind of behavior and spoil something that can really be beneficial with large scale WPvP.
People constantly/commonly post about the irritation dealing with lagfest when city raids happen. It’s the only place to provoke large scale combat.
I think if it was organized to places such as Halaa or pretty much every area Blizz forgot about, it won’t be as bad.
“Hey guys, rather than attack Org/SW, ya’ll want to go a few rounds in Outlands?”
Something like that.
The WPvP that happens in Hellfire is exactly what you just pointed out though. The small community I mentioned that was in Hellfire was nothing but trolling/flaming one another.
You probably don’t know about the conversations that take place in game or out, but that’s what it boils down to. Whenever Horde loses or Alliance loses in Hellfire, we have some people from either side logging onto alts to flame one another along the lines of, “Aha you suck, guys don’t know how to PvP, blah blah, [insert real life flame here]”
To follow up, you want to move away from trolling/flaming one another… But you helping them today in Hellfire only encourages the trolling/flaming. The community that generally hangs around and WPvPs at Hellfire will always revolve around flaming each other and dishing out real life shots. As an example, shortly after that happened, we had people from Alliance logging onto Horde alts starting to flame some of the Horde.
I don’t mind the community that much, I’ll be honest, but I’m just letting you know that helping the Alliance today, when they didn’t need it, and when you’re trying to encourage actual WPvP for the fun of it, wasn’t the right move considering the community in Hellfire doesn’t do it for the fun of it.
Yeah, that bolded part is not what I said though. How is it any player’s fault for the server crashing unless they actually intended/planned it, e.g. deliberately spread the word: “Hey all, let’s group up and make the server crash!”
As someone who mains alliance and does not have wPvP turned on because I’m not interested in doing it while questing, I am very much interested in wPvP events such as the topic title, or things resembling SS/TM or Crossroads of olde - events with objectives in mind and for the purpose of old-fashioned, many-player battles over wide swaths of terrain or in/around cities. It strikes me as ridiculous that people can’t freely plan such events without worry that they might be suspended/banned due to no fault or intention of their own.
Because it’s common knowledge by now that anything more than 40v40 raids can cause the server to crash.
Both sides know this. Both sides know that in bringing over 80 people in a brawl will most certainly cause the server problems. They could plan out events in 40v40 where the server won’t crash. It’s a players fault if they deliberately bring 2 or 3 raid groups when they know it’ll cause the server problems enough to crash it.
Common knowledge? I didn’t know that for sure, though I did see some thread about it on this forum. Has blizzard posted a “rules to follow re. world PvP” so anyone who plans to engage in it knows how to do it correctly?
Yes. Common knowledge at this point. Anyone who has War Mode on has to have ran into a raid group of Alliance or Horde and experience the lag of just 40 Ally/Horde.
Alot of the Alliance too are in community groups for Anduin’s Knights, which is widely known to bring 40+ people to WPvP.
Pretty sure it was more of “hey we are getting whooped over here by horde can you lend a hand?” So since raids are hard to shard into Anduin’s Knights came over to just help. The people who called probably had intent to get a raid smashed into you but when people ask for help they tend to not go into detail.
They weren’t getting whooped though. It was an even fight. They would win some, they would lose some. It was literally back and forth. And it was fun.
I mean, he says the point of helping is to encourage WPvP and to move away from the trolling/flaming, but the group they helped in Hellfire today in specific is known for flaming/trolling, that’s the only reason why they’re doing WPvP. That only encourages it even more.
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Doesnt matter what happened, only they know what their intent was on calling the knights
And is ive said, generally no questions are asked people just phase over and help. Only time numbers are mentioned is if enemy groups are over 40.
so what youre saying alphon is that when you fight my 7 man raid with 25 people I cant call in my friends to back us up? because that’s what it sounds like to me. you guys can make a 25 man raid with 7 disc priest healers 2 holy paladins and 5 resto druids then 5 blood tanks but im not allowed to bring help when we fight with 7 people. go cry somewhere else you get spanked every day in an even fight don’t even try and say that was an even fight when we called in cryptids. math is apparently not a horde’s strong suit because all our fights are “even” yet you guys literally always have twice the numbers than we do. granted you do need it because with even numbers and without 6 disc healers you fall over like a lvl 20 vs a 120.
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Anduin’s Knights/Alliance empire interested in this event on Dalaran-US I have a thread up you can post there or whisper me in-game and we can get this going.
But you will get tokens for your mounts after killing us we won’t intentionally die to you this must be done the standard way all we can do is come there to fight your raid group both our raids should earn our tokens for the mounts in a legit fight.
I will contact you in-game to discuss, or you can whisper me.
We look forward to this.
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No, the point is to wipe out the Horde. Haven’t you read the threads?
Wah wah wah. War happened in war mode.