<RTK> is actively searching for members to fill out our ranks as we prepare for the launch of classic servers. Not all of our members have played Vanilla before, but we do have officers with experience up through Naxx. Unlike 14 years ago, most of us now have additional obligations that weren't present previously. We completely understand that real life comes first, but we do have expectations for all raiders. We are currently interested in players to fill pivotal roles such as class officers as well as committed raiders.
Core Values
Commitment
We expect our raiders to be punctual. No one wants to wait for "that guy". We also expect raiders to be prepared for every raid. This includes bringing consumables and having at least base knowledge about the fights.
Respect
We are a group of mature people. We are building a community based in respect and teamwork. We do not have room for players who intentionally cause problems or are only out for themselves.
Ambition
Though we play the game to have fun, we take raiding seriously and are here to progress and be a top performing competitive guild on our server. We have expectations for our raiders and under performers who do not seek to improve themselves will not be tolerated.
Loot System
We will be using a loot council system for loot distribution. Class officers, Raid Leader, and Guild Leader will be in the council.
Raid Times
Our raiding schedule will be 7-11pm EST Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday. During MC, we understand we probably will not need all of these time slots, but we want to ensure the availability of our raiders ahead of time.
What are we doing now?
We are developing a phased plan to set goals and milestones for the guild. Most of us are also playing different games with one another. As the release date nears, we'll be more seriously prepping for the raid content.
Who are we looking for?
If you're applying to us, you're looking to be an active member in our community. You understand your importance in a raid and will commit to being prepared and reliable. You may not necessarily have previous Vanilla raid experience, but you've at least raided during BC or WotLK if you don't have Vanilla raid experience. You're a competitive person who plays the game for fun, but your idea of fun is excelling in all facets of the game.
We are also looking to build a community outside of raiding as well! Not into raiding? Significant other won't let you play as much as you'd like? We are interested in you as well!
How to apply
Add Zizek#1575 or Peeep#5816 on Discord and let's have a chat!
11/11/2018 12:15 PMPosted by ZízekWe will be using a loot council system for loot distribution.
rofl
1) Raiding until 11PM on work nights and never on nights when people don't have to be up at 5AM the next morning LOL
2) Biased loot council method with the raid council knowing each other for a decade lol
3) You are seriously recruiting raiders without them being 60 (it could take them months to get there if at all), without seeing their skill or lack of, without them being keyed lol
You want a good raid guild...level fast and play well. About 50 of the most skilled from the 1st 150 to hit cap will leave their guilds and all merge into the servers 1st raid guild... The rest of the guilds will have about 5-10 people who could raid and will spend 2 months trying to fill their ranks and then poof 3 smaller raid guilds that can't raid will merge and suck out half your raiders as their last 10 they need. This is how a new server with everyone at level 0 works. Oh and there will be 100 guilds with 2-3 raid capable people for 6 months because they want to be guild leaders and officers and think if they hold out long enough 37 more will join their guild.
2) Biased loot council method with the raid council knowing each other for a decade lol
3) You are seriously recruiting raiders without them being 60 (it could take them months to get there if at all), without seeing their skill or lack of, without them being keyed lol
You want a good raid guild...level fast and play well. About 50 of the most skilled from the 1st 150 to hit cap will leave their guilds and all merge into the servers 1st raid guild... The rest of the guilds will have about 5-10 people who could raid and will spend 2 months trying to fill their ranks and then poof 3 smaller raid guilds that can't raid will merge and suck out half your raiders as their last 10 they need. This is how a new server with everyone at level 0 works. Oh and there will be 100 guilds with 2-3 raid capable people for 6 months because they want to be guild leaders and officers and think if they hold out long enough 37 more will join their guild.
11/11/2018 12:46 PMPosted by Lorissa1) Raiding until 11PM on work nights and never on nights when people don't have to be up at 5AM the next morning LOL
2) Biased loot council method with the raid council knowing each other for a decade lol
3) You are seriously recruiting raiders without them being 60 (it could take them months to get there if at all), without seeing their skill or lack of, without them being keyed lol
You want a good raid guild...level fast and play well. About 50 of the most skilled from the 1st 150 to hit cap will leave their guilds and all merge into the servers 1st raid guild... The rest of the guilds will have about 5-10 people who could raid and will spend 2 months trying to fill their ranks and then poof 3 smaller raid guilds that can't raid will merge and suck out half your raiders as their last 10 they need. This is how a new server with everyone at level 0 works. Oh and there will be 100 guilds with 2-3 raid capable people for 6 months because they want to be guild leaders and officers and think if they hold out long enough 37 more will join their guild.
Appreciate the reply! Let me reply to a few of the comments...
1) It sounds like those raid times don't quite fit your schedule. While we don't expect 4 hours of raids per night, especially during the earlier raids, we're just trying to establish some sort of general availability. A 7-8pm EST starting time is pretty standard and helps maximize the availability of US time zones.
2) This comes down to a trust in the leadership of the guild. As a complete stranger, I won't try and convince you that the council is not biased, but every loot distribution system has their flaws. We've considered both DKP and Suicide Kings, but we ended up choosing against them.
3) A fair point. Yes, we are recruiting without people being 60. We have our own schedule setup that we go over during interviews so that expectations are clear. As my post mentions, we are also looking for more than just serious raiders. That means if someone joins with the intent of raiding, but isn't able to keep up with the schedule, they are still welcome to be part of the community. We do have a higher expected attrition rate since recruitment is starting so early.
We aren't attempting server firsts, so the concept of throwing 40 of the first level 60's together to clear MC isn't what we are after.
The game is at least 8 months away, why would you be recruiting so soon?
11/11/2018 12:57 PMPosted by ZízekWe've considered both DKP and Suicide Kings, but we ended up choosing against them.
Yes, because why have an unbiased, fair loot system when you can not instead?
11/11/2018 12:58 PMPosted by SavaxThe game is at least 8 months away, why would you be recruiting so soon?
We're recruiting so soon for a few reasons...
1) We're genuinely excited for the game and would like to prepare as much as possible.
2) We're not looking for just another head to fill a slot in our raids. Some of the raiders in this guild met around WotLK and stayed with us through Cata and MoP until general interest in the game sort of died out. We've kept in contact with these people even though we've stopped playing WoW and it's a pretty great feeling. The longer we have to get to know people (Whether that be just through talking or playing other games), the better both parties can see if we think we're a good fit for each other.
11/11/2018 12:59 PMPosted by Crackbunny
Yes, because why have an unbiased, fair loot system when you can not instead?
Games not all about getting loot. Plus loot council can be used in a fair and transparent manner.
11/11/2018 12:59 PMPosted by Crackbunny11/11/2018 12:57 PMPosted by ZízekWe've considered both DKP and Suicide Kings, but we ended up choosing against them.
Yes, because why have an unbiased, fair loot system when you can not instead?
Loot council has the highest potential to distribute loot effectively amongst a guild assuming the council members are unbiased.
That being said, if the majority of the guild members prefer one method of loot distribution over another, we aren't adamantly opposed to adding in the overhead of some of the other systems. Our desire is guild members will be able to talk things over amongst themselves so that council intervention is minimal, but we realize that may not play out as well as some might hope.
It's very seeing all these people comment on this. They clearly have never played vanilla wow. This is what the life was like. This is extremely normal...
Added you on discord zizek
recruiting for a game that hasn't even been released yet... lol
loot council... LOL!
loot council... LOL!
11/11/2018 01:08 PMPosted by FykusPlus loot council can be used in a fair and transparent manner.
Nothing is as fair as cold, calculating maths. So why bother with anything else?
11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Zízekassuming the council members are unbiased.
Which they will literally never be. You're introducing human error and bias for no reason and to no benefit whatsoever.
11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by ZízekLoot council has the highest potential to distribute loot effectively amongst a guild
Yeah no. Outside of getting your MT preferentially geared loot is undeniably better handled by any unbiased system that simultaneously puts the raiders in charge of their own destiny.
11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by MainedutchIt's very seeing all these people comment on this. They clearly have never played vanilla wow. This is what the life was like. This is extremely normal...
I was part of multiple guilds in Vanilla and none used loot council because that's a recipe for unnecessary drama. DKP was stock standard for good reason.
11/11/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Crackbunny11/11/2018 01:08 PMPosted by FykusPlus loot council can be used in a fair and transparent manner.
Nothing is as fair as cold, calculating maths. So why bother with anything else?11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Zízekassuming the council members are unbiased.
Which they will literally never be. You're introducing human error and bias for no reason and to no benefit whatsoever.11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by ZízekLoot council has the highest potential to distribute loot effectively amongst a guild
Yeah no. Outside of getting your MT preferentially geared loot is undeniably better handled by any unbiased system that simultaneously puts the raiders in charge of their own destiny.11/11/2018 01:09 PMPosted by MainedutchIt's very seeing all these people comment on this. They clearly have never played vanilla wow. This is what the life was like. This is extremely normal...
I was part of multiple guilds in Vanilla and none used loot council because that's a recipe for unnecessary drama. DKP was stock standard for good reason.
Appreciate your insight into the loot distribution. A lot of our final decisions are ultimately going to be driven by the guild demands. While we aren't looking for people that are just in it for a piece of gear upgrade, I definitely understand it's a potential for a source of drama. I was a part of a guild in vanilla that did use a loot council that I wasn't a part of and it was run very fairly. Roughly over half the time, the council never had to get involved because classes that were interested just talked it out amongst themselves and made their own agreements. It's specifically that type of community we are looking to build.
11/11/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Fykus11/11/2018 12:59 PMPosted by Crackbunny
Yes, because why have an unbiased, fair loot system when you can not instead?
Games not all about getting loot. Plus loot council can be used in a fair and transparent manner.
You are correct loot council can be fair... However in 15 years or so in guilds in all kinds of games... I have never seen a loot council yet that was fair for more than a month or 2.
How are you screening applicants at the moment? How many core members do you have at the moment?
11/11/2018 01:48 PMPosted by ShenanigensHow are you screening applicants at the moment? How many core members do you have at the moment?
Applicants are being screened with a chat on Discord.
We currently have 8 core members and 5 members that have indicated they are playing, but intend on being on the more casual side. Joining as a casual member does not preclude you from transitioning into a raider if it ends up being something you're interested in down the line.
Don't listen to any naysayers! It's a very smart move being prepared regardless when release is. I'd 100% apply seeing this is exactly what myself and a couple friends are looking for but alliance paladin ftw!
DKP is open to more corruption than a good LC. People who seem to think otherwise have clearly never raided in a serious guild before.
DKP favors the individual, LC favors the guild. If your in a LC guild, your pulling your weight, and your not getting loot, then your not in a serious guild.
Too many items go to random people in a DKP guild that just vanish or ride the bottom long enough to buy one big item and leave.
DKP favors the individual, LC favors the guild. If your in a LC guild, your pulling your weight, and your not getting loot, then your not in a serious guild.
Too many items go to random people in a DKP guild that just vanish or ride the bottom long enough to buy one big item and leave.
11/11/2018 03:59 PMPosted by CharbsDKP is open to more corruption than a good LC. People who seem to think otherwise have clearly never raided in a serious guild before.
DKP favors the individual, LC favors the guild. If your in a LC guild, your pulling your weight, and your not getting loot, then your not in a serious guild.
Too many items go to random people in a DKP guild that just vanish or ride the bottom long enough to buy one big item and leave.
Your definition of corruption is off majorly. If someone wants to leave after getting a single piece of gear so what? And like that couldn't happen with LC? If they scored the piece with DKP it means they earned it fair and square and don't owe anyone anything. That's the beauty of the system: you get what you earn end of story.