GW2 and FFXIV vs WoW

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pardon me, I was actually playing World of Warcraft.

I can see you don’t know nothin bout thaaaaaaaat.

My apologies for not sitting on the forum waiting for you to say something stupid.

ht tps://www.wowhead.com/quest=66079/wrathion-awaits

These eggs represent a new generation of dragonkind. They must be protected and fostered. Yet… my heart aches, and I worry for Wrathion. I fear his stubborn determination will lead to folly. You have been a trusted friend over the years, . Perhaps you can go in my place, and help him. Seek him out at the Obsidian Bulwark. And please, watch over him. There are so few of his flight left.

That is literally Quest Dialogue during the Waking Shores Leveling Quests.

You want the exact moment she says it?

It is after the first time She fights Razageth and loses, and Wrathion saves her and then she refuses to help him at the Obsidian Citadel, and she sends you to help instead.

Wowpedia has been abandoned and is no longer updated. Try using Warcraft Wiki, which is the most up to date and maintained wiki.

Yeah, I suppose it is better for you to live in your delusions huh.

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New player:

Who?

I don’t even know who you are.

Why?

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Playing FFXIV reminds me that WoW is no longer on top anymore and is just a gatekept dungeon simulator at best. Kind of boring actually since they won’t put any resources into additional content because people like OP find it annoying when they “take” from m+ and raiding.

No new players, then the game will not continue at some point.

Also, it is evidently clear this dude did not in fact play through the story on FFXIV, I can just tell.

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Uhh…

I don’t know what you mean by Guild Wars 2 being ‘laggy’ in combat. It’s not. It’s the exact opposite. Combat is very efficient and powerful in Guild Wars 2 (it is praised for having one of the best combat systems in the MMO genre for a reason) and your ability to swap weapons on the fly to create skill combos that take your damage even higher than if you were to just use one weapon is something that no other MMO has.

I feel like you’re trolling. Are you trolling?

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Well GW2 is getting housing so I’ll be hopping back on that for a while.

WoW -really- needs to admit its major playerbase is casuals and they like non-combat activities, so the more evergreen non-combat stuff they add, the more players will stick around.

FFXIV is not my thing though. Story didn’t grab me a bit/not into anime, got through Heavensward and was promised “oh it gets good!” (it did not get good, I was still bored), there’s ZERO interaction with the world outside designated quest points, and the RP community is really just the ERP community… it’s like Goldshire but -everywhere-.

ESO the combat is just bad, or else I’d be playing it too.

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It’d be a massive undertaking, but I think rather than chromie time, they do the following:

  1. Have a series of campaign quest through each expansion that carries you from level 1 to max level. No side quests required.
  2. Allow all dungeons and raids to be completed at the end of each expansion, just like FF14 allows. I can level a new character in FF14 and queue for every raid at an appropriate point in the story.
  3. Once you’ve done this for one character, you don’t need to do the campaign quests again. Instead, you can level fast by running dungeons and raids with followers if you prefer.

The reason why players can complete raids as they level is because max level players are incentivised to do so. Maybe Blizzard could add a currency earned on completion for max level characters that can be used to buy mounts, pets, transmog, and entry level end game gear.

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damn, you nailed it on every part.

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Why do you think that is? Because in WOW advancement is so tied to gear progression?

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Yeah, I think the progression has something to do with it. That, and pushing io score is really fun when I like the dungeon pool.

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I enjoyed playing the other MMO’s. SWOTR (Hutball was one of my best gaming moments), GW2, FF, and a couple others I can’t think of atm. For me I think it’s WoW’s combat. It’s fun. Other games…meh…

Last time I played FF I had to pay for a VPN to keep my ping below 100ms even though I live right by their servers and have FIOS. Everything had a one second delay. The primal raids were fun but the delay would smoke me on EX Titan.

I think the company causing the issue was called Level 4? Been a while

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Anyone that thinks the story is amazing hasn’t really played other games. It’s good for a MMORPG, but that still only makes it a 7 outa 10.

It has some great highs, but it also has a lot of lows due to having to be padded out for a MMORPG.

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I would grant you combat, dungeons and raids, but the rest is pretty cope. We will see with War Within if they can handle the other parts.

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Funny, because playing GW2 made me realize how much better WoW could be. It seems Blizzard agrees with how often they steal systems from GW2.

When GW2 released, it didn’t matter what server your chose, you could play in the open world with friends. It didn’t matter who tagged the mob first. WoW still had people stuck in their own worlds and fighting others to tag mobs.

GW2 released Fractals in 2012, providing a dungeon-like experience that increased in difficulty as you climbed to higher levels. WoW released Mythic+ in 2016.

GW2 had dynamic flight in their Griffon and Skyscale mounts, even an ability to replinish stamina, in the Path of Fire expansion released in 2017. WoW added dynamic flight with Dragonflight in 2022.

GW2 released Elite Specs for each class with the Heart of Thorns, Path of Fire, and End of Dragons expansions. WoW is now introducing Hero Specs.

GW2 has always had their systems carry over expansion to expansion, what WoW is just now introducing as “evergreen” systems.

In GW2, all currency and bank is account-wide. There is also a separate material storage in the bank. Mind you, these were implemented when the game was released in 2012, and now here is WoW finally doing it (as a more clunky system at that) in 2024. Guild Wars 2 has always been focused around the player, and not the individual characters they play. WoW is finally figuring that out.

There are so many other things here and there such as back pieces that aren’t capes, level scaling, transmutation, mount races, etc… it’s clear that WoW pulls inspiration from things that are successful in other games.

I still prefer GW2 combat and event system over WoW. The WvWvW system is fantastic. Jumping puzzles are great. The Guild system, allowing you to be a part of multiple guilds and chat with each no matter which you are representing, the fact that it’s your account that is part of the guild and not each of your 20 characters, guild halls and challenges… it’s just better all around. Soon we’ll have Homesteads (player housing) also.

What I do prefer about WoW is the nostalgia and playing with my friends. Playing with friends is most important to me, even if it is on a game I less prefer.

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I play plenty of games.

FFXIV’s story rules and is shoulders above even several non-MMO story-driven games.

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Hopefully they “steal” player housing next. Then again they already stole the Home Instance with Garrisons.

I refuse to believe one of the WoW head devs is not an active GW2 player with how much they borrow from the game lmao.

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It’s still a 7 out of 10.

If it was significantly condensed and had a lot of the MMORPG padding parts ripped out, then you could have a story that “rules.”

Endwalker especially suffered from Yoshi wanting it to take 40 hours to finish. The first FF14 xpac where I came very close to skipping cutscenes several times.

The game also loved to remind of you concepts and ideas incase you ignored them the first 10 times in the story you are forced to play through.

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I’m so ready for player housing in WoW, and I know others that would be excited as well!

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Ending the first version of the game the way they did was absolutely amazing. No one will ever beat that.

Everyone standing around waiting for Bahamut to bust out of the moon and nuke the servers is top tier story telling in video games.

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so you will just ignore that they have like 5 rigs for hundreds of races and the muppet mouth flaps they used for over a decade to “animate” speaking.

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I thought ARR was kind of slow. But once the post ARR stuff picked up, its been a blast for me constantly. Heavensward was great, then Stormblood was even better. Shadowbringers has been excellent so far for me. Ive just been having a great time with the story. I’m not sure why it didn’t grab you