GW2 and FFXIV vs WoW

How are you going to put Graphics as a con for FFXIV when the major graphics overhaul releases in 23 more days…

Also, how is the 1.0 a con? They remade the game and it was much better after that.

Also, how is it not new player friendly? Lmao That makes zero sense. The game is very friendly to new players. Especially compared to WoW currently. A new player to WoW gets thrown into BFA with zero knowledge of anything that has happened. Go look it up on YouTube. People are so lost if they try to jump into retail fresh.

Dude, you’re making all these statements about leveling based on your own knowledge of the story.

Go watch a YouTube video of someone starting WoW with zero knowledge of the story. They don’t enjoy it. You do the new starting zone and they call you Recruit constantly. Once you complete it you immediately get thrusted into BFA and they’re suddenly calling you champion. You know nothing about these characters who clearly are very familiar with you. Its just a bad experience for anyone actually new. Like I said, dont take my word for it. Go watch people try it.

Meanwhile FFXIV has you still go through the entire main story even with 4 expansions now. The story is important to many people. Jumping in randomly is jarring to people who don’t understand what’s going on to begin with. WoW’s leveling is currently horrible, as you’ve been told several times.

Just imagine if we ever got a mmo like that. Nothing else would ever compare.

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I like GW2 but don’t know what to be doing in that game, I guess running around and looking at the pretty places

That was my issue with GW2, I felt aimless at max level and didn’t really know where to go next…

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Thats kinda what you do to an extent. Pick a zone that looks interesting and run around and do events or open up the achievement tab (the H key) and start doing some of those. A large majority of the game is the open world and it heavily rewards you for exploring.

The first thing I did at level 80 was map completion and that on its own leads you into a ton of content and stuff to do because you’ll eventually run into zone wide meta events and world bosses.

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I haven’t tried FFXIV but everything I’ve seen it looks lame, like linear story you’re forced through, and the silly “sprout” plant icon that grows over players heads lmao.

GW2 is very weak, while it’s well optimized it’s rudderless, without any direction. The quests are inconsistent with rewards, most rewards are incredibly weak and barely contribute anything to progress, many are akin to repeatable “dailies” but you can repeat them immediately a bunch of times. It’s also very P2W, using gimmicks like very small inventory space to compel players to pay more money. While it has a nice graphic style, good epic looks, it feels very illusionary, barely-there, like everything is made out of paper. Something with the graphics makes objects, npcs and all feel like they aren’t solid or have no volume, probably all the clipping and lack of collision and visible seams, doesn’t help.
GW2 also tends to be confusing and restrictive. I saw players lower level than me on mounts. Where do I get that? You have to look everything up and it still doesn’t make sense. In WoW, if you reach a riding level it tells you and you get a quest to the NPC. Even before that, it was simple, each race had their own capital city and you could find where the NPCs were. Oh look the trainer. Oh look the vendor. Right next to griffons or nightsabers. Easy.

Whereas WoW, has much better overall structure, far more generous to the players, and more importantly, has incredible personality. While it has changed much over the years, the gameplay is solid and consistent. There’s always fun to be had here in WoW. If I’m ever indecisive on what to play or not sure, I just play WoW. There’s lots to do, it’s easy to jump into, and reliable home for gamers. If I’m not gearing up my mains, I might be leveling up alts, or opting to focus on leveling up profession, or focus on grinding for this/that to get transmog, mount, or whatever.

I think some of those other MMOs in their desire to be better than WoW, tried to be different, but overdid it and it’s off-putting. WoW is welcoming, it rolls out the carpet for the player, whereas these others feel hurried, uninspired, too cheap to roll out the carpet, and preferring just to phone in it. They oft tend to have incredible jank that never gets fixed. Won’t name names but in comparison, Blizzard always make sure everything is done well in WoW and presented with polish and evokes not just a sense, but provides a clear perception of “quality”. That’s very appreciated and welcoming.

Why didn’t it grab me? Because I’ve read literally thousands of books in my life and Heavensward was -not- some stellar story that had an emotional impact on me. People told me I was going to cry when “someone” died. I barely noticed because it’s not like my character had any personal history of any sort with this character, no personal conversations, no moments of revelation, nothing. It was just a quest giver NPC you do some quests for and I’m supposed to feel sad when he gets killed? Ppppft.

Now RDR2, there’s a good video game story.

To each their own.

It seems like you don’t quite get the point of GW2 isn’t “getting great loot from quests”.

I gotta ask, what does you reading all those books have to do with anything? I’m a book reader myself and just don’t see the connection there, not an attack or anything, just a curiosity.

Each MMO has their own strengths. WoW’s is instanced content. Each MMO has their own weaknesses. WoW’s glaring weakness is the open world and questing.

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Because it teaches you good plot, pacing, character arcs, and basic writing (I had a few books published and have done some freelance editing as well). But that also means most video game plots are going to begin to seem very very mediocre since most lack any real depth or nuance – it’s a fault of the medium and not necessarily the writers (though in FFXIV’s case, it’s also the writers and how it’s presented. I realize a lot of anime fans love it, but I was never one of those anyway).

Because most are.

FFXIV has some absolutely horrific pacing and very basic character plot.

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It was ok but it suffered from pacing issues as well. The meat of the story doesn’t even really start to take off until halfway through the campaign. It was good but it was also predictable considering it was a prequel to the original so if you played the original you already knew exactly what was going to happen.

Depends on how you play it :wink: there is no “campaign”. There’s the story quests, and then there’s the open world and side content. The story starts pretty damned early in Chapter 2 when you start with train robberies and getting Micah out of prison.

Most stories -are- predictable; it’s how nuanced and compelling they are that matters. There are only about 6 plots ALL stories follow. Execution matters, and there’s a reason RDR2 is hailed as one of the best games of all time for its protagonist and antagonists. You can completely ignore the open world and just do story stuff, leading to pretty face-paced gameplay style with a ton of action. Or you can do what most people do: build your own story within the narrative by exploring the open world as you do the story missions here and there in between. Your choice.

But YMMV.

Still, FFXIV’s story has had -nowhere- near the impact. The RDR series is not only good story-telling with a great open world, it’s also among some of the best -westerns- of any media in the modern era.

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That’s a fair take… I don’t agree with the whole teaching thing, because I learned about those things from gaming and movies. What games would you say have a fantastic overall story? I’m big on story and enjoy FF14 up to the start of Shadowbringers. Partially I wanna see if what you consider to be good and compare it to what I consider to be good, plus I’m always open to new game to play… I couldn’t get into RDR2.

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Wut? There most certainly is a campaign lol.

You and I have very different opinions and definitions of that word then :wink: bye now.

Might want to explain that to Rockstar then lol.

Hard to say, as I don’t know your tastes or experience level with literature.
If you don’t like RDR2, maybe Mass Effect? Or Kingdom Come Deliverance. BG3 was great but not for its story – mainly for seeing how much chaos within the story I could create (the plot itself was pretty shallow and not well constructed, really fell apart in act III).

I’m into highly immersive slow burn games with strong narratives (hence why RDR2 is my jam). If you don’t like those, it’s likely our tastes are way too different for me to convince you what games have a “good” narrative from an actual literary standpoint.

I did also loved Tyranny, but you could tell it ended too soon and needed more time in the oven. Still, one of the most unique classic-style RPGS I ever played.

Ok bye now :slight_smile: