it´s just the most anoying cc in game, Every time u go againts a drud u cant play the game and if are lucky and there are 2 druds in the other team be prepare to fly. Cyclone cyclone cyclone until the ends of time and then more cyclones.
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cyclone should have a 20 sec CD
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It just needs to break on damage and be dispellable like fear, and still absorb heals. That way its still interesting/strong but actually has a counter
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I always open these threads expecting a reasonable suggestion within the realm of possibility like “reduce the duration by 1 second until other adjustments can be made” and it’s always “put it on a 1 minute cd and no don’t buff defensives to compensate” 
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Hey man we know the devs don’t let Druid specs suck. If they remove cyclone they’re gonna make us battle tanks that still get to ignore all sheeps and most roots
Have at it lmao
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Gut ret/demo lock before touching any other part of this game.
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This would be totally fine with me, and druid is one of my favorite classes. I understand that any small change to cyclone could snowball in unexpected ways because gamers will be gamers and they can make even 1 second into a huge difference, but I’d even be ok with a 4s/2s/1s cyclone diminishing-return-wise, because an un-dispellable 4 second loss of control when your trinket is down is still a big f***ing deal.
Yea, makes no sense to me why shaman HEX has a base 30 sec cd and cyclone can be cast repeatedly. Sure, HEX has a slightly longer range. But not sure that’s a fair tradeoff for cyclone spammability.
I suggest we make HEX the shaman version of cyclone to be fair!!!
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cyclone in wc3 is dispellable
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Complaining about and comparing 2 spells in a vaccuum while completely ignoring the respective kits otherwise is about as unintelligent as it gets.
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I’ve been saying this for almost 2 years now: The problem isn’t hard CC – but everything else that was unpruned and snowballed out of balance and control: micro-CC, mobility, utility, and just damage and pacing overall. The claim of CC suddenly being such a huge problem after two decades of this game is quite blatant and obvious gaslighting. It’s evident of either a lack of understanding or play-time; or of the presence of an ‘agenda’ to make certain classes have an easier time, and to push this game to lose its unique identity and just make it another pseudo MoBA/FPS PvE party with infinite mobility hax, micro-CCs feeling like dDoS and skill-free oneshot OOPSIEs.
As for Druids, they already have the highest Death ratios in PvP.
I agree that if things remain as they are, it would probably be fair to nerf Clone by a Sec… but something will have to be buffed to compensate, ramp-up dps/healing or survivability. It’s a ‘pick your poison’ type-deal whenever such a core change is made…
Whatever the solution to all of these issues is, it has to be logical and calculated… but IMO the safest bet would just be to revert from DF design altogether (and it looks like TWW will make things x3 worse with more reworks and talents). The complaints about it from all spec archetypes’ perspectives are enough evidence it doesn’t work for the average PvP’er (and the LACK of care and attention given to incentivization systems like gearing, MMR and rewards isn’t helping!) If it were up to me, we’d go right back to BfA season 1 and get a better & more active way to test toolkit rebalancing, say, via better community testing and feedback cycles focused on class design. Maybe Alpha and Beta just aren’t enough testing in general. But it’s not like the Dev Dpt. cares much about PvP these days…
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They absolutely should do that
Just make it a 4 sec cast time. That’s all you have to do.
It’s crazy how the entire class gets run over by the meta and clone is the only thing allowing us to play 
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Brother your class is the meta.
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Then when Rsham takes the spammable hex talent we have two cyclones in the game now.
God yes, more cyclone!
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all we are are frogs in the wind…
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Our class is the meta because of other classes.
Calm down.
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nothing but gaslighting by big druid
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I sit tons of full ccs that aren’t clone. Dispel has a cd too 
I’m all for reasonable changes but friendly advice for the guys who’re sitting 90 clones a game apparently, push the druid who’s doing it. It has a 20 yard range. DHs alone can stop being clones for like the first minute of the game by themselves. So can dks and wars. 