My guild leader has been banned for gold buying when all he did was transfer gold from one character to another the automated system picked him up. im simply posting because i feel the need to do something it shouldnt be a crime to have someone be banned for being a successful gold maker in WoW. The names are Crugg and Crugging. different email addresses but come on. Lets be real here
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Admirable, but unfortunately you cannot.
Blizzard will only interact with the registered holder of the affected account, third party appraisals will not be taken into consideration. Appeals also are not taken via the forums, only via the Appeals ticketing system.
If you can elaborate on this, several variations of this activity were recently prohibited.
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He owns 2 seperate subs on the same server. Crugg and Crugging. His Blacksmith Warrior (crugg) makes lionheart helms and has made (Legitimately) 300k Playing the AH and selling lionheart helms. His Shaman (Crugging) Is not the gold making character and simply plays the AH with gold earned from his Blacksmith. I think he mailed gold from Crugg to Crugging and due to the recent wave of bans i can only assume an auto detection picked him up and banned him.
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Nothing said here. Will be taken into affect fyi all punishments are handed out by real people.
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He has been seen on 20hours a day almost everyday. But he is in discord active hes a crazy retired dude. Id hate to see him go he is the heart of our guild.
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All he can do is apeal till they tell him to stop.
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He did not break ANY of these rules. They are both Horde Nightslayer characters.
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All he can do is appeal via the ticket system. It’s admirable that you’d like to assist, but there’s absolutely nothing you can do on his behalf, nor will any appeals be heard via the forums.
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Just feels hopeless man. I doubt his appeal gets seen with how many appeals the people have to sort through.
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All appeals are reviewed by real people. He will receive a templated response to maintain consistent messages, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t reviewed by a real person.
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Emphasis mine. You don’t know. And neither does he, necessarily. Blizzard rarely pinpoints when someone broke the rules. If he didn’t buy gold, he could have very well be on the receiving end of illicit gold - whether he knew it or not.
This is part of the reason a third party cannot advocate for their friends/relatives/guild folk. You don’t have the information that Blizzard does. All he can do is appeal, and appeal again until either it’s overturned or he’s warned not to submit any more.
Saying stuff like this is why the lies persist. Every appeal is looked into by a fresh pair of eyes.
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Fair enough on the previous point of lies persisting. However my counter argument to this is that if he was on the receiving end of illicited gold from a 3rd party (SOMEONE BUYING A LIONHEART) how would he know. And on top of this previous statement if it wasnt what i suspected such as transaction between his characters themselves why were BOTH of his accounts flagged. Thats why i think its a glitch in the system. if ONE account got banned i get it maybe it DID happen. But BOTH? i think it was a mistake.
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There are common red flags people tend to ignore, unfortunately. Gold earned through the AH is usually okay - unless there is a commonality of buying cheap items for a crazy cost.
If he had illicit gold from a third party and sent some of that gold to his secondary account. So now he’s tainted not one, but both of them with the dirty gold.
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A common counter argument we get here, unfortunately. There are ways to be cautious, however.
The problem is that the gold laundering trade is a rampant and unyielding enterprise that spreads like wildfire. There will be largely-innocent individuals caught up in it, but their suspensions will run on the shorter side because Blizzard can see that they were not actively perpetuating the problem.
It’s an unfortunate side effect of unsupported trades like that as Blizzard attempts what they can to stymie the spread.
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He participated in RMT, by trading for bad gold. This has always been an actionable offense. The fact that he might have been unaware that the gold was bad doesn’t really matter, he was still participating in RMT. Ignorance does not absolve his guilt, as he could just have easily purchased the gold, yet be blaming it on a “transfer”.
On the positive side, Blizzard has recently updated “transfer” policy to make these transfers prohibited and against the rules, which makes these transactions fall less in a grey area and which should eliminate some of these trades going forward, as a high percentage of gold transfers were simply RMT.
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So im basically being told. Because he is a well known blacksmith he has to be banned because people buying gold and not informing him they bought gold are buying his services. So he should just not sell his services in trade anymore?
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To be absolutely sure it won’t happen again in the future, this is ultimately the only option. Blizzard have been party to fighting back in this war for more than two decades, and it seems to have come time to start giving people a comparable slap on the wrist like this in order to make them aware of what they’re doing and look for the signs to avoid getting involved with illegal practices.
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With all due respect. What on gods green earth is trade chat useful for if not to provide services to buyers.
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It’s unfortunate, but he should probably have all transactions go thru the AH if he wants to protect himself. Obviously for trusted players he is probably safe, especially if things are kept to a reasonable level, say a 15-20g tip, where the other person provides the materials.
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I guess you could argue services, but you and i both know thats for portals and boosts.
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