Guild Banks Pt. 14

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

And that withdrawal would be reflected on the guild website.

maybe

Those precious in game logs cannot be edited, but they are no more secure than those multiple player kept logs.

Yes, because of that maybe, is a huge difference honestly? not really, but still significant.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Except for the fact that those player kept logs

“Huh? No, we never got any frozen runes. You must be mistaken”

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

See the above post to see specifically how those guild bank logs are ultimately no more useful or secure than player kept logs.

and see here, where I show that isn’t the case.

But that is the truth here, it is possible whereas the in game logs cannot be altered.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Tell me how a system of multiple duplicate logs, with those logs being available on the guild website can be faked since each and every one of those duplicate logs, as well as the website, would have to be edited and doctored to prevent any discrepancies

I. Can’t. Even.

Do you not know how, I dunno, people LIE?

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

he simply says that guild member Billy asked him for the leather and told Johnny to mail it to him, since he was not near a guild bank at the time. Now, it is Johnny officer’s word against Billy’s.

then you have chat logs that can be checked. and before this blows up, I am NOT saying there is a HUGE advantage, just a significant one, it all still boils down to TRUST, if you don’t have that , no system is going to do anything.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Tell me how a system of multiple duplicate logs, with those logs being available on the guild website can be faked since each and every one of those duplicate logs, as well as the website, would have to be edited and doctored to prevent any discrepancies

I. Can’t. Even.

Do you not know how, I dunno, people LIE?

Do you mean exactly like how they can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

That would be a non vanilla QOL convenience change.

See, no it wouldn’t. It’s not a “QOL” change. I’d elevate it to a security change.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Do you mean exactly like how they can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

Are you for real? Everyone can see the BLIZZARD logs.

[Fesz-cenarius]

he simply says that guild member Billy asked him for the leather and told Johnny to mail it to him, since he was not near a guild bank at the time. Now, it is Johnny officer’s word against Billy’s.

then you have chat logs that can be checked.

Who is going to check chat logs? Blizzard?

Johnny had permission to take that leather. GM’s will not touch a claim that “Johnny took item X and said that Billy asked him for it, but Billy says he never asked for it” with a ten foot pole unless they are overstepping their authority.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

he meant the player saying another player said it was ok, again trust.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

That’s still a weak argument. I don’t see how arguing against an official log will ever win.

[Fesz-cenarius]

That would be a non vanilla QOL convenience change.

See, no it wouldn’t. It’s not a “QOL” change. I’d elevate it to a security change.

Security? What security?

It has already been shown that those precious in game logs provide no additional security. Thefts can still occur, and likely with more possible thieves. It has also been shown that those logs prove nothing with regards to who the thief was, should something be stolen.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

It has already been shown that those precious in game logs provide no additional security.

Maybe to you, not everyone else.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Do you mean exactly like how they can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

Are you for real? Everyone can see the BLIZZARD logs.

Read my post again.

Those logs prove NOTHING about what ultimately happened to items withdrawn from the guild bank. They may show that Johnny withdrew item X, but they do NOT show what Johnny did with item X. Johnny can just lie and say he gave it to Billy.

So, I will ask again. Do you mean exactly like how people can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Who is going to check chat logs? Blizzard?

If someone did a ticket, yah? they are the only ones who can, you know that.

Johnny had permission to take that leather. GM’s will not touch a claim that “Johnny took item X and said that Billy asked him for it, but Billy says he never asked for it” with a ten foot pole unless they are overstepping their authority.

If there is an issue raised they will look into it, and you have a better chance with a GB than with a player log, and no that is well withing their authority.

It has already been shown that those precious in game logs provide no additional security

well no you haven’t ,in fact the opposite was proven, game logs cannot be altered, while player logs can, it is that simple.

and if the player in question is so untrustworthy then they likely would not even have access to withdraw that item or amount, once again, not a HUGE difference in security, but there is one.

If your guild has such a lack of trust where you have to set really restrictive limits, or have 20 alts with 20 logs, you need a new guild.

[Fesz-cenarius]

That’s still a weak argument. I don’t see how arguing against an official log will ever win.

That will be up to Blizzard to decide.

On the one hand, we have a truer to vanilla system without guild banks.

On the other hand, we have a non vanilla QOL convenience change that even Blizzard said was added for the convenience it brought. They said nothing about security, or reduced tickets, etc. That statement was made long before Activision entered the picture and when Blizzard’s word still meant something.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

So, I will ask again. Do you mean exactly like how people can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

They cannot lie about what items they both deposited or withdrew from the guild bank.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

They cannot lie about what items they both deposited or withdrew from the guild bank.

Better yet, a guild bank deposit implies INTENT. Guild bank alts do not.

[Fesz-cenarius]

It has already been shown that those precious in game logs provide no additional security

well no you haven’t ,in fact the opposite was proven, game logs cannot be altered, while player logs can, it is that simple.

The game logs may not be able to be altered, but all they show is who took item X from the guild bank, not what happened to item X.

That does not seem like any additional security over player kept logs to me.

If your guild has such a lack of trust where you have to set really restrictive limits, or have 20 alts with 20 logs, you need a new guild.

A lack of trust?

I would say that trusting 20 people to hold guild resources shows more trust than having a GM that insists upon holding everything and keeping the only record.

[Fesz-cenarius]

So, I will ask again. Do you mean exactly like how people can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?

They cannot lie about what items they both deposited or withdrew from the guild bank.

They can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank, though, right? And that is what I asked. Do you mean exactly like how people can lie about what happened to those items they withdrew from the guild bank?