The fact that Blizzard set a policy IS the security. Now, show me the policy for account sharing and we are getting somewhere.
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Like mature to the level of realizing Classic should be authentic Classic and not include 2.3 features of TBC? Iām on it. The question is can you mature to this point too? Can you break the shackles of trying to be a cool edgy kid, and understand the whole point of Classic? And get behind blizzard stating they are shooting for an actual authentic experience?
You can do it! We have faith in you!
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Iāve already said Iām nearly 100% certain that Guild Banks will never be added to Classic, no matter how much the community wants them.
Youāre the one that canāt let a thread exist for discussion of the merits despite there being no threat to the authenticity of Classic.
Grow up.
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Ha. You kill me. You really do.
Think about it, you constantly quote Blizzard about the authenticity of Classic being paramount and yet you argue here like youāre afraid that if you donāt, theyāll throw that entire philosophy out the window.
Not very confident, are you?
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You keep saying cool edgy kidsā¦is that you Fez? Did you pick up a new meme?
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Is grown men calling other grown men ācool edgy kidsā the new ācool edgyā thing to do?
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No, Iām not. My biggest fear is everyone will ruin WoW again with all their demands.
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No, thereās a dozen reasons to want them. There are no reasons to need them. When weāre recreating a period of history where they didnāt exist, you need have a reason to need them, to justify the violation of their existence.
None of the reasons to want them are good enough to overcome the fact that they were not in Vanilla. And yes, while thatās āone reasonā, its the 300-pound gorilla reason.
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If you read the thread you would see very valid reasons for guild banks to be added, and reasons why they may be needed to keep classic from becoming Susanās slush fund. Well, if you can logic that is, instead of being run by emotions and has tags.
Iāve read the thread. And there arenāt reasons to need guild banks. I get that you are obsessed with this, but its a battle that you wonāt win. But feel free to restate the best reasons to need guild banks, instead of the reasons you want guild banks. Iām sure we can point out again why they are wants not needs.
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So a company like blizzard doesnāt need to prevent hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold being scammed/hacked out of their players (and in turn making upset paying customers, having to sort through thousands of customer service tickets due to these issues, and in turn pay someone to do that and the loss profit from people that quit because of these issues ruining their gaming experience) they as a company should just accept the maximum possible profit loss the lack of guild banks will cause.
Your right, they shouldnāt bother using one of the simple fixes they found that reduces repeat scams, prevents account sharing, which in turn reduces hacks, and lowers customer service tickets that they have to pay someone to go through.
Nope blizzard should accept maximum profit losses on classic. What a good idea.
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Sure itās not a āneedā just as we donāt need to eat healthy food, we should just accept everyone having major health issues because we can eat garbage all of our lives, itās not like it will cost more in health care, mortality rate, exc. Letās just eat Snickers and Twinkies while drinking nothing but root bear and 7-up.
Thereās a difference between a want and a need yes. But it we want classic to stay active it needs to be released in a moderately healthy rate for both blizzard and the players.
Edit: and just to clarify in the food scenario I gave above, Susan would be the pharmaceutical industry that makes billions of dollars from pills because people donāt want to even make an effort at being healthy, and just buy a miracle cure instead (gold buying).
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If you given someone, of your own free will, your stuff, yeah, they donāt really care to try and get it back for you. How much of a nanny do you need to wipe your nose?
Its not a āsimple fixā its a fundamental change to the game that was introduced after Vanilla ended.
Ridiculous metaphor is also wrong and a strawman. Having a guild bank does not affect your health and well being. Youāre still hung up on thieves.
What weāre two common practices from the guild bank alt system?
Account sharing (compromises account security) and guild bank alts being used as leverage to get into a better guild, make gold, exc.
Iām not saying blizzard needs to hold our hands, Iām saying give us the tools to govern ourselves better. Guild banks do that with a reliable log.
Edit: eating healthy is the guild bank, the pharmacy is Susan and her friends who profit off of people being to lazy or misinformed to eat healthy.
If you have a healthy base for your lifestyle itās MUCH less likely you will have any need to turn to Susan for help.
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Thatās not Blizzardās problem. They explicitly outlawed this and banned anyone doing it. The fact that you did means you were cheating. Donāt cheat.
Again, Vanilla was all about community, and that extends to choosing trustworthy people to run the guild. If your officers are abusing their privileges, get a new guild or get new officers.
So basically youāre saying āBut otherwise Iāll cheetā¦and feeves!ā
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No, Iām saying without guild banks people will account share and scam. It happens in every video game that it has a benifit to do so.
Look at Eve online if you are so dense you need an example. Google āEve online biggest scamsā
One person got THOUSANDS of players to trust him and made a good chunk of real world money off of it.
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Please donāt fall into ad hominems. Focus on the discussion not the people.
I donāt need an example. Iām well aware that people cheated like that, and Blizzard in no way supported it. But thatās not a reason to add guild banks. Its a reason to ban people who did or will do that.
And WoW has no real world monetary equivalent to one event.
Youāre still hung up on thieves and abuse, which in the Vanilla environment, was treated with āYou shouldnāt have given them your stuff if you didnāt trust them.ā āGuild storageā was not used in the same way guild banks are today simply because of the reason that they are a trust concept. You donāt put all your fish in, knowing youāll get them back. You bring your fish to the raid and hand them out if you want them.
Guild storage (in sensible guilds) was only used for guild items, like Corehound Leather and Fiery Cores, or Onyxia Scales and Cloaks. Things that the guild created as a group, and the Officer in charge of storage was entrusted to manage.
Anyone who needs to cheat to manage their guildās stores is simply doing it wrong. Thatās not a reason to break the Vanilla meta with a TBC concept.
There were companies in China farming gold to sell it because it had a higher $/hr than many of the jobs thereā¦ But ok, Susan wasnāt selling goldā¦
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Yay for irrelevant statements when unable to support a position.
Guild bank alt holders were selling the items they were given to hold for profit in the Susan farm. Sorry if Iām using personal experience from vanilla to shape my views but I donāt want Susan coming back in droves again.
And itās not irrelevant, guild bank alts is one of the biggest incomes possible for Susan. Get 100s of people to trust you, and they funnel you free gold without even realizing it.
Before botting got more advanced gold sold for a near 1/1 ratio to real world $. Then it was a 1/10 after some bottling programs got more advanced. But hay, devilsaur leather selling for 10g per at the time my experience happened meant the Susan that was my guilds bank alt holders just made about $60 off my work at the time, and got me blamed for it to boot. Why ever, should I care about trying to prevent that from happening again to unsuspecting peopleā¦ Nope I should just let history repeat itselfā¦
I really hope you could recognize the sarcasm in that last part.
Susan gets gold to sell 3 main ways.
Getting other people to farm it.
Hacking accounts.
Botting.
Guild banks help reduce 2 of those factors by a large margin for reasons already explained. Blizzard and the players can help make the third harder to do as well by simply being aware and reporting it.
So Iāll say now, Iām sorry for wanting guild banks to protect the health of the game in both the sense of account security and economy.
I donāt expect big brother blizzard to do much except on specific situations (hackings) for guild bank clean-outs but those logs definitely help us identify who did it and prevent them from profiting off of āusā again.
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