Not even remotely as bad as anti gb folks who try to say gb and gb alts are equal in ease of use and security wihich is false.
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Note to self: Going forward, post as though nobody has a sense of humor about anything. Ever. Be sure to include humor indicators such āLOLā, smile emojis and /s when you wish to indicate sarcasm. All sense of content is lost otherwise.
Addendum to note to self: The longer this thread goes on, the more it seems Padre is one of the few reasonable beings on the forums. I find this equal parts fascinating and disturbing.
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I have readily admitted that guild banks are more convenient.
That convenience, however, was NEVER present in vanilla.
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An approach could be: the guild bank have 2 slots per members, so if you have an alt level 1 owning a desert guild, it should not worth much.
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Hypothetically:
Guild X has 20 members.
This gives them 40 bank slots. All 40 are in use.
2 members leave the guild. This drops the number of bank slots to 36.
What happens to the items in the four slots that are no longer available?
Can somebody please change the track?!? The vinyl record is scratched and keeps repeating the same spot.
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A week or so to remove the item from slot before it gets auto mailed to the person who deposited it. 30 days wouldnāt be unreasonable either.
If you spent a short moment thinking on it. Youād possibly have come up with the same answer.
Itās easy to mail then to leader an update the log with this action
I consider this an excellent idea.
2 slots? Are we having a laugh? A single player using a single GBA would then have the storage capacity of a 70 member guild (28 bank slots plus 7 bags @ 16 slots each). What was there: Either 8 or 10 characters per realm? That means a possible total of between 490 and 630 āmembersā worth of space. Then we add in the āIāll just mail things to my alts as a way to create additional storage spaceā and weāve just worked around the problems that a 2 slot per character GB system would create.
Hold on. Wait a minute. GBAs and using mail as storage space? Iām getting a strong sense of deja vu.
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We should send fesz to the Olympics. Heās amazing at mental gymnastics.
Stating that guild banks were in vanilla by practice does not mean we are trying to claim the blizzard run system was in vanillaā¦ It means people found whatever loophole they could to make some kind of guild bank system because there was a lack of said system.
So in PRACTICE guild banks were in vanilla through guild bank alts. Not by design but in practice they were. And this practice saw many issues with security, scams, exc. Which is why the people in favor of guild banks want them. Not for your so called āQoL convenienceā that you have tried to make into a sin word, but because of the security, scams, exc. Issues that guild bank alts let thrive under itās practice due to lack of proper design and safegaurds on itself.
They wouldnāt be an issue if it was causing drama to one or two people, but when it can cause enough drama to an entire guild that people have quit for that is something to consider.
Iām not saying guild banks WILL be in classic though. Iām saying there is valid reasons for blizzard to consider adding them in some form. Specifically the logs and permission effects to prevent blind scams and account sharing.
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Case in point of a proponent of guild banks doing mental gymnastics in order to equate storing guil resources on alts to guild banks being present in vanilla.
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Thatās between the two of you.
Itās true that players found a way around limitations of the storage system in place at that time. Itās also true that many of those players didnāt concern themselves with ToS when it came time to find those ways. Rules were only a concern when players were coming out on the wrong side of the rule breaking. Violate ToS? So what. One of the account sharers stole from us? This is horrible. Blizzard needs to do something about this.
Blizzard acknowledged that players had work arounds in place when they announced guild banks were coming. However, they said nothing about security concerns and scams. The terms they used were strictly framed in convenience (Iāll look them up and re-post them if necessary though they are somewhere earlier in this thread). As for those account sharers who got scammed, to be blunt, they can kick rocks. Thereās no honor among thieves. (Yes I know that last line is hyperbolic) Ultimately, the whole security point comes down to āWe know that at some point weāre going to cross paths with a self serving butthead and weād like something in place to stop him/her.ā The funny thing is that if that self serving butthead is a guild master, s/he can steal from players without stealing from the guild by simply moving items from one tab to another and justify it by saying that theyāre responsible for providing security and the highest value items should be the least accessible.
Neither logs nor tab permissions prevent account sharing. They never have and they never will.
Iām not claiming guild banks will stop all account sharing.
But they will stop account sharing that was done for the purpose of running the guild bank alt due to no longer needing to even have a guild bank alt because a proper system that performs the same function of the guild bank alt would be available.
Also to fesz. You need to work on your reading comprehension if you think Iām claiming guild banks as a designed function weāre in vanilla.
Iām stating the practice or use of guild banks was in vanilla through guild bank alts. And I have already stated numerous times the issues that player made system has and why it should be considered for being fixed.
account sharing as it was will not exist. ive said it before but it is a pain in the rear end to even let someone onto your account now.
hell i tried it in the tail end of wod and it was painful. 10+ emails and more later my friend was able to get on the account.
its not going to happen.
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Whenās part 15?
You donāt know how to do it effectively then.
Just saying there are ways to get around those emails without having to even talk to blizzard.
lol what. having people remote into your pc or clone your ip?
ya not gonna happen.
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Just a side noteā¦ Vanilla was always changing. Asking for #nochanges is a change. G banks are within the spirit of Vanilla, people made their own of sticks and tape. If TBC wasnāt released as early as it was, G banks would have made their way in.
Doesnāt make sense not to add them, nochanges is a change from the Vanilla norm.
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More mental gymnastics from someone who wants the non vanilla QOL convenience of guild banks added to classic.
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