Is guardian in a good spot right now? Started leveling my 110 over the weekend through dungeon finder and he’s fun tanking but don’t see many
Bears high m+ keys on my main. Can’t decide between this toon or my 110 Brewmaster. I’d only be doing high M+ keys once geared 10+
Guardian is great in M+ as long as you bring a BDK
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Presently, no. Not seeing a lot in terms of buffs for 8.1 either. Fingers crossed though.
Yea just asked this in the general forum with the best tank for M+ and they all ranked the Druid last with the warrior...... the dk being at the top. Still going to probably keep the Druid though because I like being a bear.
Guardian is okay as a tank...
The major problems are:
1) We don't bring much utility. (Even with the 8.1 buffs of 1m CD on Stamp Roar and Ursol's Vortex as a talent option)
2) Our damage is pretty low. (Even with 8.1's ~11.5% overall damage buff, we're still going to be a hair below prot paladins in dps)
3) Blood DKs blow every other tank out of the water for M+/BrM's blow every other tank out of the water for raids outside of niche situations. (Why bring a guardian when you can just bring any mouthbreathing BDK that does your job 5x better while just rolling their face across the keyboard?)
The major problems are:
1) We don't bring much utility. (Even with the 8.1 buffs of 1m CD on Stamp Roar and Ursol's Vortex as a talent option)
2) Our damage is pretty low. (Even with 8.1's ~11.5% overall damage buff, we're still going to be a hair below prot paladins in dps)
3) Blood DKs blow every other tank out of the water for M+/BrM's blow every other tank out of the water for raids outside of niche situations. (Why bring a guardian when you can just bring any mouthbreathing BDK that does your job 5x better while just rolling their face across the keyboard?)
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It's doable but tanking M+ as a BDK or Monk is so much better I don't bother with Guardian anymore. It just doesn't bring enough.
Guardians are in a bad spot they need a buff to everything and more utility. They have all the spells they need just need to be able to cast while in bear form.
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I enjoy doing 10+ as guardian. I find that overall while we don't have quiet the utility, from a healing needed perspective we do a lot better than people give us credit for when specd and geared right. Part of the issue is there's a lot of questionable material out there that people have relied on in the past.
The game has changed a lot since wod. Back/shoulders used to give you all the sustain you needed, now you need EW, resto affinity and some decent artifact traits to heal for 60-80% of you damage taken. I know when I started BFA I went classic wod spec and got squished a lot, now things feel pretty good.
My group is getting close enough to geared for 13-14s now, will report back to see if I go splat
The game has changed a lot since wod. Back/shoulders used to give you all the sustain you needed, now you need EW, resto affinity and some decent artifact traits to heal for 60-80% of you damage taken. I know when I started BFA I went classic wod spec and got squished a lot, now things feel pretty good.
My group is getting close enough to geared for 13-14s now, will report back to see if I go splat
10/30/2018 10:42 AMPosted by MooingYea just asked this in the general forum with the best tank for M+ and they all ranked the Druid last with the warrior...... the dk being at the top. Still going to probably keep the Druid though because I like being a bear.
Keep leveling see what happens with the class changes blood dks may go splat and be bottom teir never know what they will do with the classes. Also do you like a challenge? that could make the difference too my friends who dk tank say its pretty boring and brainless spec to play
So kiting May be an issue which from my understanding is a big thing mythic+ high keys. So a good comp could be to bring a frost mage to help with that or another class that can help lighten the load of taking damage. Just need to maintain threat which I have not had a problem with. Although I am not an expert because I don’t care for doing dungeons so I’ve only done a 9 highest to get a weapon with stats I want.
They just need to give guardians Solar beam along with the buffs and they will be golden. Oh maybe a DPS cooldown for free, not talented.
Bears need a fair amount of outside help. Killing explosive orbs is hard, dropping necrotic stacks is really hard, kiting in general is hard, threat is hard.
AND you have poor utility, since most of it requires dropping bear from. A guardian can be serviceable if you always have a rogue or hunter in the group (or a frost mage on necrotic weeks). But a BDK will always do much better at equal skill, require less healing, do more damage, and not require a rogue/hunter/mage.
At the very least they need to give bears either 'zerk back or add RotS back into the game.
The changes aren't enough, but it's a start at least. I'd guess it's about half the damage we need, and a quarter of the utility. Maybe the top end tank population (15s and up) will go up to 10% druids from the current 3% or so.
AND you have poor utility, since most of it requires dropping bear from. A guardian can be serviceable if you always have a rogue or hunter in the group (or a frost mage on necrotic weeks). But a BDK will always do much better at equal skill, require less healing, do more damage, and not require a rogue/hunter/mage.
At the very least they need to give bears either 'zerk back or add RotS back into the game.
The changes aren't enough, but it's a start at least. I'd guess it's about half the damage we need, and a quarter of the utility. Maybe the top end tank population (15s and up) will go up to 10% druids from the current 3% or so.
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10/30/2018 06:54 AMPosted by MooingIs guardian in a good spot right now? Started leveling my 110 over the weekend through dungeon finder and he’s fun tanking but don’t see many
Bears high m+ keys on my main. Can’t decide between this toon or my 110 Brewmaster. I’d only be doing high M+ keys once geared 10+
Guardian has good mitigation but terrible DPS. The lack of DPS will significantly effect your chances of doing a Mythic+ in time. It is also difficult/impossible to itemize a Guardian correctly since it is so difficult to get the correct stats. To give you an idea, I avoid haste as much as possible and yet it is my highest stat so I cannot benefit as much from the stat boost from reorigination array.
There is also problem with the fact your the only tank that can't use all the utility your class has since so much of it can't be casted in bear form. It cost two globals to cast something you can't cast in bear form. Your going to die if anything is hitting you which is the tanks job.
The issue with BfA so far is that there are a few class/spec combo's that basically faceroll content and a few that are a long way behind. The difference is actually far greater than it should be...
Bears are not the best tanks, but it all depends on how high you want to push it. Low keys and Heroic raiding you can do it, but as has been said, given a choice why would you? Bring a BDK or BrM and you will have infinitely easier time of things.
The main pain for druids is how far behind we are in most specs, how they haven't even bothered trying to fix things properly and how the one spec that was performing well (Resto PvP) was nerfed into the ground after a week.
Bears are not the best tanks, but it all depends on how high you want to push it. Low keys and Heroic raiding you can do it, but as has been said, given a choice why would you? Bring a BDK or BrM and you will have infinitely easier time of things.
The main pain for druids is how far behind we are in most specs, how they haven't even bothered trying to fix things properly and how the one spec that was performing well (Resto PvP) was nerfed into the ground after a week.
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10/30/2018 07:13 AMPosted by SypGuardian is great in M+ as long as you bring a BDK
Don't know why but that actually made me laugh out loud.
Currently Guardian suffers from a glaring issue that really affects them heavily in M+. While they remain one of the better tanks when it actually comes to tanking physical damage - that’s kind of all they are good at. And in M+ the value of smooth damage intake isn’t nearly as high as it is in raiding content.
That said, it’s fine if you don’t plan on tackling the highest of keys (13/14+), which is 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. Buffs in 8.1 should be helpful as well.
That said, it’s fine if you don’t plan on tackling the highest of keys (13/14+), which is 99% of the playerbase doesn’t. Buffs in 8.1 should be helpful as well.
Well I hit 120 and cleared most of the keys on +0 and did my first +2 and +3 key tonight. Everything went smooth and made time on both keys.
Tanks are so in demand with M+ though that I was taking DPS and heals 20ilvls higher then me.
No complaints so far. Wish we had a better snare then typhoon, had a ranged silence so I don’t have to los mobs all day, and a better way of mitigating magic damage But that’s just a wish list. So far enjoying being a tank.
Tanks are so in demand with M+ though that I was taking DPS and heals 20ilvls higher then me.
No complaints so far. Wish we had a better snare then typhoon, had a ranged silence so I don’t have to los mobs all day, and a better way of mitigating magic damage But that’s just a wish list. So far enjoying being a tank.
11/02/2018 05:02 PMPosted by MooingWell I hit 120 and cleared most of the keys on +0 and did my first +2 and +3 key tonight. Everything went smooth and made time on both keys.
Glad to hear of your success. Bears are quite capable up to at least +10. It's the truly high keys where differences among tanks start to really show, and where DK's totally dominate. That's when we bears pretty much drop entirely out of the picture.
We're also solid in normal and heroic Uldir. Mythic is where we start to fall off as monks take center stage. As tank damage climbs higher, we have very little to offer relative to the other tanks.
We're simple, no-frills meat shields in a world (of Warcraft) that demands more and more out of its tanks. Just being sturdy isn't enough, and we're not even the sturdiest tanks to begin with.
How are druids at DPS? I really want a druid but dont want to invest if they are useless
11/03/2018 06:19 PMPosted by KomaraWe're also solid in normal and heroic Uldir. Mythic is where we start to fall off as monks take center stage.
Actually, the most commonly used tank in Mythic Uldir is <drumroll> Death Knights.
I've been tracking the weekly tank numbers here:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769128575