Fair enough, brother, I am with you on this one.
I would be 100% on board with disabling the need button for a player if they already have the transmog for the item.
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I thought you should click need on things because you âneedâ the tiny amount of gold from selling the item to a vendor. It all adds up in the end. <3
Thatâs what the greed button is for, hence the symbol that shows a gold piece. The whole purpose of greed is to vendor or DE the item. Thatâs how it has always been since the beginning of WoW.
I shouldnât have to roll against people who want to vendor an item for a transmog I NEED.
Step 1: Take your character to LFR before theyâve passed the iLvl where theyâre eligible for the pieces that you want. Get the pieces. Profit.
Step 2 (Optional): If youâve already geared up the character that you wanted the LFR appearance on for some reason, bring an alt of the same class instead. Get the pieces. Profit.
Step 3 (Optional): Alternately, wait until the LFR version is soloable at the end of two expansions later (in theory, pending Blizzard getting their act together on fixing retro raiding) and run the raid by yourself. Get the pieces. Profit.
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We arenât in a Guild, we arenât Friends, the strength and progression of your character means nothing. I have nothing invested in you, like I would a Guild/Friend. Instead we are strangers put together by a terrible random match making system. Put there for a common goalâŠLoot. Bottom line If we all put time in, we should have a shot at something to make our time worth it.
Someone over LFRâs sad story of you canât raid normal/heroic or do mythic plusâsâŠand this item would mean more to you then me getting Mog, means zero.
Enjoy LFR without, experienced and geared players carrying because No one will run if there is no incentive. First week of 2nd wing was a nightmare and people were told what to do.
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This is what you should be demanding from Blizzard⊠If you get a heroic piece of loot⊠you should get the normal and LFR appearances. If you get it mythic, same thing but heroic and down.
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Yes, 100% agree. Blizzard clearly has no clue what theyâre doing, unfortunately.
How about revert the system back and make it better. How about add better RNG to this horrendous system. 1 Month in, and down 34+ bosses and the only loot my main got was a transmog from LFR. Basically 1 piece of loot, because not only do I have to deal with the CHANCE for it to drop from the boss, BUT I have to now roll against other classes with ANOTHER rng system. The mess kind of disgusting system is this? I got nothing from Normal because this loot system is complete trash. Work hard, play hard to get punished. Wow has the WORST loot system out of any MMO Iâve played and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Iâm shocked the whole community isnât up in arms about the loot system. Loot protection? That thing is NON EXISTINT. Disgusting 
This is so frustrating. Imagine wanting to raid and do Heroics, and you canât because your being held down by THIS type of system⊠complete trash⊠and demoralizing.
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So a well geared character canât go into LFR and have any kind of a chance at items for transmog?
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10 stack determination nzoth groups that kept losing people non stop until you got enough higher geared players to carry the rest says otherwise.
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Not sure which LFR groups Atcaelas has gotten in to, but in my experience, any boss in LFR where you have to do mechanics, you either pray you get enough geared people who know what theyâre doing to carry, or stack up Detemination for hours and cheese the boss.
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I honestly cant wait to see the salt when Raz comes out and it turns into another nzoth, but without high ilvl people queuing up to brute force the boss
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That would be incorrect. If nobody needs then greed will be taken into account. Tmog should be a greed item, not a need item. Blizzard was in the right in correcting this error.
Do you have a better explanation why youâd see that effect than the one Iâm saying is correct?
If PL picked the item 1st, (even with a restricted loot table), youâd still see more normalized stats than you did.
And going off of Occamâs razor, PL picking a person then the item explains exactly the effects weâve been seeing, without having to add in any extra info or random correction math.
But anyone can greed the item. So the whole entire raid will be greeding the plate shoulders I need for transmog, even cloth/mail/leather wearers who donât NEED the item for transmog.
World content drops better/higher ilvl gear and is pretty easy to do.
Maybe what Blizzard needs to do is add a transmog button, that if you hit you will be below ones it is a power upgrade for but above greed rolls. They could even make it so that anyone that rolls for mog gets the look no matter what.
However, transmog is never really a need in the eyes of most people, to claim such just comes across as a selfish pos that might be the kind to take a coat from someone that needs it for warmth just because you think it looks good.
Debatable for some classes/specs as the tier bonus is powerful enough to overcome ilvl differences, more so if it is just like 1 slot to meet the bonus.
Iâm not sure what you need more than what I said later on in that para.
Any system you can concoct where there is a component of âno unusable loot dropsâ will have the end effect where (1) increasing the number of X in a raid will give a (2) greater chance to see X drop.
Itâs true for what you described (âroll winners, then roll lootâ), and also true for one alternative example I describe (âroll loot, allocate, discard invalid, loop until all validâ). There are other ways to skin the cat, but in all of them, as long as you canât have unusable loot, loot will trend towards the group comp that is present.
THatâs an assertion I donât think you have the math to cash.
I also wouldnât rely on Occamâs razor. How simple it is for a layman to understand whatâs going on within a system is not the same as the considerations for coding a system.
An obvious example I can think of, itâs easy to throw out a 1/5 chance for loot. But thatâs not actually HOW loot in a âdetermine the winner firstâ system would work. If you assume thatâs being processed sequentially (and thereâs reasons not to, letâs ignore that for now), youâre actually going first roll of 1/20, then second roll of 1/19, then third roll of 1/18, etc. We can gloss over stuff like that in everyday-speak because weâre not doing actual statistics.
I assume this is entirely satire.