My favorite is how you act all high and mighty like you’re some how helping the little guy, when you’re saying that the little guy shouldn’t have to wait 2 weeks for Creation Catalyst to get their tier gear, while transmog farmers are totally fine having to wait 8 years to farm transmog.
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LFR doesn’t need Heroic+ raiders slumming it in their groups if all they want to do is swipe the upgrades of the people who legitimately need better gear because they like the color green and refuse to bring an alt with the same armor class instead, making it pointless for the people who actually need the items from LFR to be there at all.
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I have always been 100% for Master Looter for a 100% guild run… Absolutely. Pugging, no… LFR… No… and I didn’t view group loot as an acceptable option. If anything they should have taken trade restrictions off of personal loot in a 100% guild run.
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Heroic+ raiders are literally the only reason LFR raiders are able to kill bosses. Have you ever been in an actual LFR raid that has all green-geared players that have no clue what they’re doing? You’ll be there for HOURS, you’ve likely left one before.
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Lol, you’re out of your mind, LFR is not hard. It never needed heroic raiders to finish. Especially in DF will all the high level world pieces attainable.
If people need gear for item level there are much better ways to get gear that is better than LFR gear:
-Weekly renown events
-Crafted gear
-Weekly world events
-Weekly world boss
-Daily super rare kills
-Mythic +
-PvP
All of those can go up to 385, which is higher than LFR ilvl gear.
ALSO, I NEED items from LFR for transmog. What defines “NEED”? If I need a transmog, I NEED the item.
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I’ve been in tons of LFR groups that didn’t have anyone in them that singlehandedly carried the whole group. In fact, a lot of the well-geared people refused to do mechanics, were hostile in the group chat, and didn’t want to cooperate because “It’s just LFR lol I’m only here for the transmog” (or anima, or Legendary tokens in previous expansions, because this is legitimately one of the first times that I can think of that the LFR set didn’t purposely look like straight up trash compared to the higher tiers).
The people who do LFR as their end-game aren’t even remotely as incompetent, poorly informed or bad at the game as people like to make them out as. A lot of people are there on their alts with experience from higher tiers. A lot of people inform themselves before they get there. A lot of people are on week 3 or 4 of the current tier and have done the encounters before, and know how they go, and inform others about what to do.
LFR is tuned to be completed by people wearing gear at a LFR level. The only time I’ve been in groups that had a really bad time it was in fights that had relatively complex mechanics like N’zoth in BFA, Durumu the Forgotten in MOP and Fatescribe Roh-Kalo in Shadowlands.
We’ll be fine.
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Clearly not, because all of you LFR-lifers are having a meltdown about people wanting to get gear drops for transmog. You’re all basically saying that they should help down the boss but be 100% ineligible for loot and get 0 benefit for LFR, creating a piece of content in the game that has 0 benefit for them.
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Yeah I don’t think I’m having the meltdown…
BRING BACK BONUS ROLLS.
Do that and some of us will rerun bosses for items we need . Might not get them all the time but guess what it will up player engagement time in raids.
You’re literally so set on this idea that you’d rather people wait 8 years to collect transmog than sacrifice losing a roll on a tier piece for 2 weeks. Any sane person would know that this is an absurd idea.
That’s not reading between the lines. That is how personal loot worked. It would be how things worked in both the way I suggested it’s possible it could be coded, as well as the way you used in napkin math. The only actual thing it requires is the logic of “no unusable drops occur”. Which makes perfect sense since the context of that reply is to someone asking whether there would be unusable drops, like a Bow in a raid with no Hunters.
To clarify, as long as there are no unusable drops, you could do rolling on items directly, roll to determine winners then items, do 200 layers of math and whatever and then have items, no matter what you do the end result will be that having more people of a type will result in more items of that type dropping. They don’t even confirm how much it affects the chances; if they were saying it’s a 1:1 relationship, aka adding 1 SHaman to a group with 1 Mail wearer directly doubles chances, I think it’s more LIKELY that it works a certain way, but it’s still not confirmation because I could come up with other loot generation/allocation systems for which it’s also true.
TLDR: You’re making a wild inference from a statement that does not confirm anything that you’re stating it does. It’s not even talking about that.
This doesn’t say anything about loot system either. It would be true in literally every loot system. All they’re talking about is the concept that everyone was constantly rolling and eligible to loot to counter the mistaken impression some people had there were competing against fewer people in personal loot. Literally the next sentence tells you that.
And if you’re still confused, that would be true in both what you described and what I described. Hell, one could argue it’s even MORE true in what I described since that would involve more rolls happening, and players directly rolling on items.
I actually already considered that, and if you accept it works that way Wowhead simply doesn’t work at all. I can use Mythic as an example because there aren’t any possible ways to already get locked out to it, and the difference in expected drops vs recorded drops is 136.6 (20%), and 162 (23.7%). That’s already getting outside the bounds. With no knowledge of how many loot recordings on LFR/Normal/Heroic happen with people already locked out to a boss, no knowledge of whether the distribution of people running the Wowhead looter is representative of the population, and no knowledge of whether it’s the same people racking up multiple kills for the Wowhead looter app to record, there’s just no way to turn any of this into even usable stats, let alone “accurate” stats.
To be fair, I think that’s going to depend on how many people were in the normal raid. If you had a 10-man and you saw 7 weapons over 7 bosses, that’s definitely on the high side and could either mean something about item weights, or something about luck. Very different conclusions if your 7/8 clear was maxed out.
Proportions and loot tables probably have a significant effect on that too. Also, and feel free to correct me on this, but both rings (which are the only rings) on the entire loot table are down at “special drops” category? I have absolutely no idea if they have a different drop rate because of that.
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Could you please explain how you will obtain the LFR set appearances then?
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I’m literally set on the idea that heroic+ raiders made their bed and now they get to be in it and I absolutely don’t care if you have to wait 10+ years.
I think personal loot is great for LFR, but it has no place in Normal+ raids. Normal raids should have master loot or group loot. But not LFR. Not my fault that Blizz doesn’t understand how the game functions and how players play and what players want.
Best part is, this doesn’t only apply to LFR tier set pieces, but also any piece of normal armor. My friend had plate shoulders drop that he needed the transmog for, and he couldn’t roll on them because he had the same piece but at a higher ilvl.
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I know how everybody can solve the problem with GL without Blizzard doing anything:
How about everybody just roll need on anything that lets you…greed on everything else. Get what you get, don’t throw a fit, and be an emotionally mature adult about it. If you can’t handle that, don’t look at the roll window to see who won what. Now you can pretend it is still PL in your mind and calm the flax down already.
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Except that you never get a need button on the items you need so you’ll never win the item, lol.
Are you referring to transmogs for geared players?
Yes, I need transmogs. That’s why I do content in the game. It is something I need.
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