Grimrail’s last boss needs tuning. I got rooted 30k and breath 65k… within a split second. Granted it’s tryannical +17, but that damage needs tuning.
Grimrail is busted on TWing too. You can literally do all the other dungeons and faceroll them. Grimrail though looks like it was scaled in preparation for mythic+ and thus overly lethal on everything. The friggen 1st boss doing his charge to knock the goblin off the boss literally does like 90% of your HP sans CDs. The cannon on the 2nd boss needs like 5+ shots to break too. Was such a miserable experience last week trying to farm dungeons on alts for quick XP and getting Grimrail.
Aren’t people who post in the threads are the minority of WoW players?
Also, you only know about that because they spoke about it. What about those who didn’t spoke about it? I’m no mind reader and i don’t think anybody else is, but i’m pretty just thinking they only voted for a malicious reason is silly.
…Because you didn’t like the dungeon? 
Don’t you think that’s petty? To punish somebody for voting for something you dislike? Just because your way of punishing people for voting something you dislike is better then this… 
…Doesn’t mean it’s still not bad. Just saying.
This is suppose to be picking dungeons to have fun with (Which isn’t that the point why they have that poll??)… Yes, i know, somebody will bring up that i say “Fun is subjective” alot, i get it. It applies here too. But that’s essentially what Blizzard was doing. Allowing us to pick dungeons on what we think are fun.
Why must we as a community, must make this into huge controversy and try to make people’s lives miserable because they voted something you hated? I’m no fan of Iron Docks, but you don’t see me complaining and putting people down for voting for that. I’m glad they got their dungeon and i just have to only put up with it.
I mean, why not ask for improvements for Grimrail Depot instead to make it flow better as a Mythic+ then or ask them to ban certain affixes because of the cramp space? Why not make the situation with it better then? 
Yeah, but so are the people who voted for the dungeon. Always a minority of people that votes.
No, the people that said they were doing it to troll. People swaying others to troll in community votes is obnoxious and always ruins it. If you say “I’m trolling the playerbase” you should be suspended for trolling the playerbase.
You can say that, but all the people complaining about Karazhan being too hard right now say otherwise. Most people get very upset when they have to play dungeons that are actually difficult enough that most people can’t just waltz in and beat them.
Occulus’ problem largely stems from being unfun, not from being difficult. The biggest issue being the dragon mechanics / aerial combat. I don’t think most people enjoy having to play something other than their character with a simplified rotation for the latter half of the dungeon. Also the design is annoying. A lack of geographic communication inherent to the floating island design results in newer players getting lost.
Nobody was refusing to play oculus because of wipes.
I hate to quote you because you’ll write a 24 page response but i think its clear to anyone not hell-bent to forums drama i was joking
I mean…its VERY clear.
And… how do you know that? Did you follow one player that went from ingame and noticed the poll and decided to extrapolate it to more then 12?
Just asking, do you have the numbers that show how much people who voted here?
That’s a minority of people saying it. I mean that’s a minority of any community in general really. People do things for malicious reasons all the time, i don’t see why this suppose to be surprising. Especially when it comes to more serious topics on the forums, but i digress.
Don’t listen to the trolls then? Or tell blizzard to put in requirements before voting?
Or if you’re going to be angry at the trolls voting, why not just be only angry at the trolls? Why you have to include people who genuinely liked it and picked it based on that as if they committed a moral sin by picking on what they like?
What, is the message is, we can’t have anything like picking a dungeon we want because of the trolls out there? Okay, so what’s the alternative then? Let Blizzard pick and give us a dungeon that isn’t going to be 100% liked or think their trolling the community anyways?
Le sigh.
Well you got me there, because considering the same hyperbole and exaggeration you’ve used on your OP, for that comment you also made, i thought you were being serious.
Okay? So suspend them. I literally do not even get your argument dude. Just suspend the people openly saying they are voting maliciously. Not everyone who voted for Grimrail. It shouldn’t be such a disagreeable opinion to suspend people who are admittedly trolling the community vote. Jesus.
Like why have you been arguing semantics lately? “Oh, how do you know that it’s a minority that voted? Did you follow them around?” Like just use your brain man, it’s pretty obvious that it’s a minority of people that take place in a community WoW vote. Hell, it’s barely a majority of people who vote in real life elections.
EDIT: Also, just to pull out some statistics for you as to who I know it’s a minority that voted, the NA poll itself says “17,757 voters|34,808 total votes”. Is that a majority of the WoW playerbase?
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Just did a 10…haaa…This is a bad decision. We brute forced it for a 10 but really, a bad choice for a dungeon.
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That would only open the door to be even more trolling, i.e, trying to silence or ban somebody because they pick a wrong thing in their eyes. And i think we both know, this is something that malicious people/trolls has been using against people, in the addition to people who were genuine about it.
No offense, but what part of my argument you didn’t understand?
Was it too general in it’s topic to draw attention to the main point of mine that can be equally applied to any polls moving forward, that being “punishing people for voting in what you think the wrong way is wrong in itself?” What part of that is confusing? Or was it the length?
How do you even know they actually did? I mean … OP is suggesting there’s cognitive dissonance (Not being consistent) between the actions and words that people have said here with people who voted for it in general. Do neither of you not think the same with people saying that? Is it not also possible to assume that trolls will just lie to just simply troll people as well?
I’m simply saying we shouldn’t jump to conclusions like this and look at this away from either extreme lens here.
Jibbles, no opinion is immune to being disagreed upon especially if that opinion presents issues for the long term.
Same with no opinion is immune to being agreed upon.
Why is debating suddenly “semantics”?
I don’t see a problem in looking at the details or context of such details as well the arguments presented themselves if it helps to formulate their own arguments/opinions. Especially to those arguments/opinions and such, while have solid arguments, have details that are less then desirable.
It’s a legit question, because i think it would be better for all of us, to how you even come to that conclusion and get that information, provided if it’s legitimate, so we can go and see ourselves if what you’re saying is true.
If i’m not using my brain, i would be an extremist.
It bares worth reminding us of that when talking about this topic. As you are going to remind me that it’s not a majority as you heavily imply later on. We are both on the same page here in terms of what we agree with; it’s a minority of people who voted.
My problem comes from, when you (not you, generally speaking to anybody who does this) start acting or treating that minority as if it’s the majority, in this “anybody, and by anybody, who voted for this, must be punished” attitude. I will give the benefit of the doubt that maybe it’s just hyperbole and some are just saying out of frustration, but honestly, i blame the massive amount of unironically used hyperbole thrown our way that muddled the discussion for the both of us into a “us vs them” mentality.
…And much like the people in real life, tend to be rather …hostile to people who they think to be “voted wrongly” and seem to think a minority is over-representative there as well, instead of looking at an individual basis or just looking at it as …well, a minority of people… And i don’t mean in just the internet. This happens in Real Life too and quite fairly recently might i add.
To be completely 100% with you, it’s really sickening to see.
Where did you get this by the by?
If you didn’t understand what i’ve said or put off from the length, the Taxed Largely;Didn’t Rent version is…
If you’re trying to make a case on why you feel somebody picking a dungeon you dislike is wrong, you might want to avoid using hyperbole and emotions, as well avoid trying to ruin that person in some capacity, and just give them your reasoning on why you think that is regarding that dungeon. Like cramped camera spaces, or it’s length, or the boss mechanics, or how certain affixes makes it an undesirable experience.
just…wow
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It’s a 5 minute read mate. I think you will be fine. I have faith in you. 
If not, i did put in a TL:DR at the end for you to check. 
To me, I say suspend anyone who said they were trolling, regardless of dungeon. Enforce it and they’ll stop spreading the idea of trolling. It has nothing to do with what dungeon you voted for; but publicly saying you did it to Troll the playerbase should be a suspension
Doesn’t matter. Suspend them, it’s the message that matters. If I said “Bring a weapon to X location on X day” it doesn’t matter if I do it or not. It’s a threat and I will be investigated.
I mean, I agree but like who cares if trolls get suspended?
It’s not anybody who voted for it though. It’s anyone who said they did it to troll. I voted for Bloodmaul Slagmines. If I said “I voted for Slagmines to troll”, I think that is worthy of suspension. It has nothing to do with the dungeon or whether or not I like it"
I think people voted for it as they saw, “Oh 3 bosses, easy peasy”. I bet none of them actually ran the place when it was current, and had to do the mechanics of the fights.
Stacked mage portals that included Ancient Dalaran and Stonard.
My friend used to collect pets. He had way too many pets. There was some guy his didn’t know who he would mail his extra pets to. He mailed hundreds of pets to that guy.
Most people don’t do mythic+, since we have to include alts, including low level ones. I think most people who do mythic+ had an idea they didn’t want that, while those who don’t do it learned quickly that it would be a great trolling opportunity.
It’s entirely Blizzard’s fault for designing a poll like this, that was clearly troll bait. The vote should have gone only to those who had done mythic+ this expansion.
I mean, have Blizzard actually went out of their way (not just rely on reports) and suspend people for admitting they were trolling when they picked that dungeon? Because i would imagine they only just care about people voting, rather then the reasons why.
I wish i can agree with you on this, but nobody i’ve seen aside from you tried consistently applying this principle and only applying it with Grimrail Depot from the look of things. When people are saying “I’m voting for Grimrail depot” and i mean for any reason it may be, there was a palpable backlash to it from a group of people who had their reasons on why they didn’t vote, but also think you shouldn’t vote for that dungeon.
I can’t say for certain this would’ve been the same case if any other dungeon was picked here.
The message would be diluted if it were found out they are just lying. Which puts the ones who are silent, and the ones who are genuine in potential jeopardy here, considering the orgrinal assumption of trolling is if they only announce it and are truthful about it. I know this seems strange describing you like that, but this community has a nasty habit of blaming people, even if it’s not completely true, or even without evidence.
Should the people now be owed to explain themselves why they voted for the dungeon because of the trolls?
…You’re comparing real life weapon threats to trolling???..
The weapon thing has capacity to actually get somebody hurt regardless if it’s a lie or not, of coarse you would be investigated. Trolling doesn’t. At least not the trolling were talking about here.
I’m talking about the people who are genuine that are being lumped in the same group as trolls is what the issue here. They should stay separate from the trolls.
Ahh. Alright.
Blizzard’s fault? Yes.
Should’ve only have Active Mythic Plus players voted? Yup.
Trollbait? No. Not intentionally from Blizzard.
I think this is more of a case of stupidity then malice for Blizzard here.
I voted for ubrs.
If you voted for grimrail I will world pvp you on sight.
are you really this clueless?
yes. it’s easy in stupid trivial content. Go do it this week on a +15 or higher.
calling other people scrubs because you ran a timewalking dungeon LOL my god
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I would’ve run 10 keys just to vote for Grimrail Depot again.
Gotta worship our lord N’zoth.
