…end of story because a certain …person think it is end of story…nice one…but pls…stop be silly 
Thank you.
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Can you stop pretending to be the smartest person in the room?
Thank you.
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can you stop be silly pls 
Thank you
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Dragons are definitely an Azeroth thing. It’s technically possible for them to exist on other planets, but not very likely.
For Dragons to exist, several things need to happen.
First, Proto-Drakes need to exist, which are fleshy descendants of Elemental Drakes.
Then, the Titans/Watches took those Proto-Drakes and rebuilt them into the Dragonflights we know of today. They were created specifically to help safeguard the planet since Azeroth is a Titan. (they’re just really bad at it)
Again, this could technically happen on another planet. But it’s very unlikely that another planet would also have proto-drakes evolve from elementals, and that the Titans would also see fit to elevate them into proper dragons.
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Azeroth is an Old God and the goat that dreamt up our reality out of nothing,p that watches from the outside.
Just wait and see.
azeroth isn´t an old god…maybe it will be an first one, but not an old god.
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Draka and Vashj never met the Primus before his return though. It’s said that he was missing for a long time and that he only had one apprentice (Bonesmith Heirmir) left in Maldraxxus.
Azeroth is an Old God.
The “Old Ones,” were the first to exist. They may even be “The First Ones” or older than The First Ones.
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Now I’ve lost the thread. And I just found the damned thing too.
Do you mean Azeroth, the in-game planet and entity, is an Old God in the same vein as C’thun and Uncle Yoggy?
na, he/she meant it compared to lovecraft.
an old one is an being like C’thulu, and an outher one is a being like azatoth, an outher god.
No, the Old Gods we see on our planet are just small physical manifestions of Old Gods that they hurled into the Great Dark Beyond.
Azathoth would be outside our mortal comprehension like a Void Lord is said to be outside of our scope. X’era confirms that there are beings that exist outside of our mortal comprehension. Azeroth is one of those beings.
This terminology is getting out of hand with combining Warcraft and Lovecraft words.
Old Gods. Outer Gods. Old Ones. Old Outer Ones.
I move that, moving forward, we use new terminology.
Warcraft Old Gods are Flibbers.
Lovecraft Old Gods are Whompers.
Lovecraft Outer Ones are Bimpers.
If Azeroth ends up being anything but a Titan, it’s going to be a First One. And even that would be weird given how much they’ve ground in the “Azeroth is a Titan” thing.
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The planet is a Titan… or that’s what the Titans tell us.
I’m not even sure that’s the name of the planet or reality itself. Azeroth may just be a microcosm of Azathoth with the Emerald Dream being where reality was dreamt from.
Again this goes back to World of Warcraft being based on Lovecraft’s unfinished work titled The Dream Cycle. The Titan pov just may be flawed because Titans think they created reality but as the broker in this grimoire says “they just stumbled on it and claimed ownership of it.”
We learn in BFA the Titans may not have been protecting Azeroth (the planet) like they claimed in Chronicle. This planet is a Titan failed labratory to study Old Gods and the nature of Life springing from the Old Gods.
I’d argue World of Warcraft isn’t based on Lovecraft. It just draws inspiration from his work.
And that trying to fit the whole of the setting into the Lovecraft framing is a mistake.
In addition, what parts of Lovecraft they do draw inspiration from are always the most surface-level bits.
They take a Lovecraft name and run it through the wash, then apply it to a generic big tentacle monster. The monster causes madness and speaks like an overturned Scrabble box.
And that’s kind of it. Punch it until it coughs up a new pair of socks.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Warcraft moves further away from Lovecraft’s influence as they move forward. Especially with older lore being swept under the rug in favor of new stuff.
The only real remainder being that the Void has a tentacle aesthetic. And even that seems to be shifting to a different aesthetic as we get closer to the Cosmic-level.
The Uldir experiments were done explicitly to try and protect Azeroth from the Old Gods by discovering a way to excise them without killing the planet.
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And I would argue back. Have you even googled Lovecraft’s The Dream Cycle?
Look it up and come back to me.
Does it not show similarites to the Titan creation story that they created Life from the Emerald Dream?
Look, I realize I’m not going to change anyone’s mind if they choose to stay close minded. I just thought I would share what I know, take from it what you will.
I’m just gonna leave this quote from the Mote of Cosmic Truth quest here too because it’s relevant:
"We stand on the brink, you and I. The final act looms over us, casting a terrible shadow.
Deep we plumbed, seeking knowledge of the world. Deeper still we delved, until our fate was inevitable. Minds were shattered, my comrades ran screaming into the night. We are all lost, to that terrible Thing…
Now, the malformed syzygy beckons. Complete the ritual and bring about the end."
This is not about N’Zoth.
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I’ve never been against the Tauren being wrong about some of their beliefs, though going by the summary posted here it feels like the Grimoire is purposely showing Tauren in a negative way. I can’t think of a good reason for Spirit Walkers being wrong. I’m thinking now that the Grimoire isn’t only biased from the Broker’s point of view but from the real life author’s as well. Danuser has a negative bias against Tauren which is showing here. He’s retconning lore not just for what he enjoys but also for what he despises.
In regards to the Night Elf burial, there’s a lot of important info there. It confirms that the Night Elves believe their afterlife to be G’hanir, not some Elune heaven (unless they believe G’hanir to be Elune heaven). That’s pretty significant. I might have to read about G’hanir again to see if this new info matches with what we already knew.
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The absolute STATE of WoW’s lore, where people dont even remember the narrative importance and sheer power of shamanism in Warcraft 3 onward. In vanilla, Shamanism was hugely important to the horde’s very existence, and served a major thematic role in “redeeming” the horde.
Now, after years of neglect and whitewashing, it’s just weak, “”“”“traditional”“”“” magic based on mass delusions.
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This isn’t accurate at all, the book was written by the new “lore expert” Sean Copeland.
I know it’s cool right now to blame everything on Danuser but this is just a bad take.
I wouldn’t necessarily call this being “close-minded”. I think people are just pointing out that, for your theory to become true, quite a few retcons would need to occur and pre-existing in-game statements would need to be outed as incorrect interpretations (which I always find lame).
It’s definitely an interesting theory. Me personally, I just think it currently takes far too many leaps to reach the conclusion you are making for the current lore.
That isn’t to say it doesn’t merit discussion. This would be a pretty neat topic to make a thread about. Wild theories are always fun. But I also think it’s important to discuss them as theories and nothing more.
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It’s written by both Danuser and Copeland. Copeland is there to keep the book in line with what we see in game. Danuser came up with the ideas. Copeland’s job isn’t about coming up with ideas.