They already retconed Chronicle as “in the Titan Pov” this has existed this whole time since at we are aware the Old Gods have thier own PoV of what happened and we have proof if a Titan “cover up” with The Disks of Norgannon being destroyed.
This lore has always been in WoW. We were simply blinded by accepting the Titans perspective as absolute truth. This is why I hope they retroactively redeem Deathwing, he saw the truth that no one else would accept was the truth, that’s why he popped up in Y’sera’s memories in Ardenweald…he’s going to come back up in Shadowlands.
It’s still a bad take, there’s nothing wrong with this book. It’s just written from a broker’s perspective that is condecending towards mortals.
It’s “in character” since the book is written as a broker’s personal journal. It’s his opinion. Sometimes to write in character, writers have to write opinions they don’t personally share…
Brokers are only interested in things they find valuable. Casting aside Tauren lore, even though it’s the closest thing to the reality of the Cosmos just proves that maybe brokers throw out a lot of good information just because they don’t think it’s valuable. That’s a fatal character flaw and a flaw and shows Broker hubris.
Now I see why Ve’nari hates her own kind, she’s a true academic.
The only thing I was able to find was some rando daily in Mechagon where King Mechagon apparently got his hands on some disks that get corrupted. Otherwise, the original, complete, set are still sitting in Uldaman.
Except it hasn’t. By your own admission, Blizz is retconning things all the time.
When Chronicles was written, it was intended to be cold hard irrefutable canon.
Then Blizz decided they wanted to change the canon. So the Lore changed.
Consistency has always been WoW’s biggest issue. The Lore, and the direction of the writing, is always changing. Either thanks to retcons or to recontextualizations.
Not everything in this book is just an opinion, some of it is fact. How can their perspective about Spirit Walkers being false be untrue? That’s something the Broker would have to see for itself. The only other explanation is that the Broker lied because it didn’t like what it saw, which would bring into question why it was included in the book. That’s like me looking at your face and saying it doesn’t exist because I think it’s ugly.
I think she’s trying to reference Loken’s tampering in Ulduar? I don’t think the Disks of Norgannon were there though.
Precisely. You can only take the unreliable narrator trope so far before it becomes absurd.
It’s like how every npc and lorebook in Morrowind refers to Cyrodiil as an amazonian jungle of tattoo-covered aristocrats, only for it to be retconned into a generic european forest in the next game.
The trope is a writing tool, not a crutch or an excuse to introduce whatever lore you want without consequence.
In short: we cant just Cyrodiil this all away. This is just bad, disrespectful lore, and its now canon until they magically decide it’s not.
Loken’s tampering was limited to the Tribunal of Ages, which he specifically created because Tyr and Co stole the Discs away before he could change anything.
But this statement sort of goes against your intention.
The fact that the Ulduar in game seems to have no semblance at all to the “Ulduar” Metzen thought up back in 1999 means that there’s no telling what sort of continuity exists between the two ideas.
For all we know, they just really liked the name and re-used it.
Again. it’s a neat idea. But you seem to be drawing a lot of inferences, and then leaping to those inferences being solid canon. You want to discuss the potential of this theory? Then sure. Let’s throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
This is off topic, but I’ve always been curious about the original idea for Uldum. I feel like it’s obvious that it wasn’t originally intended to be the desert zone it is now. Looking at the wooden door which a golem jumped through always gave me insidious vibes. The original ideas for things like that have always fascinated me.
When they did the Fairy Tales interview Copeland mentioned the affiliate authors asked them about the world but also he’d say whether an idea they had fit the canon
I wrote this in a discord server and felt it worth sharing to be more clear about how I feel
Idk how to explain it or why really but the state of the lore has made me feel like, alone?
On the one hand the lawsuit has exposed a lot of bad people in a lot of discord servers and as some of you may know I’ve left them all. So my community has reduced in size significantly equal to the WoD era exodus.
But the lore has been an added point of struggle. For the entire time I’ve played this game WoW had always used my culture and heritage in a new positive way.
The racist caricatures and racist tropes were balanced against meaningful nuance and positive lore developments that made me feel proud that my culture was part of the game, used by the developers to build this fantasy we could all escape to.
To me I always felt happy when someone Not Latino, Not Indigenous, Not Caribbean, Not African, or Not Black Diaspora liked the Trolls and thought they were cool. Because it meant they think my real life culture is cool too.
But now the world building is such that to be Horde is to have a net negative narrative experience. And the Shadowlands completely ignored Non European myth
So I’m left with this feeling of narrative abandonment.
but again, didn’t blizzard confirm that the shadowlands are just for Mortals? Not Dragonkin, Titans, nor Old Gods.
Elune’s involvement to take Ysera’s soul to the Shadowlands can’t be ignored. With that, she went straight to Ardenweald bypassing the Arbiter construct.
The problem is that Druidism is being built as this cosmic magic tied to a magical member of the Life Pantheon worshipped on multiple planets (except the Tauren and Trolls got her name wrong!)
and Shamanism, whose lore in-game was tied to death by virtue of its practitioners being races with ancestor worship that can Spirit Walk (enter the veil) and talk with their dead (summoning their dead spirit), has been thoroughly crushed this entire expansion for seemingly no reason.
Now this book affirms
Brokers do not trust shamanistic races
Spirit Walking isn’t real as per Ta’lora’s investigations while in Mulgore within the veil
Shamanism is a “lesser magic”
and Ardenweald is the afterlife for Shaman (does it look like a Shamanistic afterlife to you?)