The cave was absurd and i doubt anyone disagrees there.
The mind control was 100% exploiting. They never intended for people to camp the gy to the exit to MC people out. If you think this is equal to turtling the flag - you are beyond help.
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Currently in this thread: Losers who think itâs fun to troll WSG pugs instead of playing the match out in a mature and sportsmanlike fashion, defending their garbage behavior.
Itâs okay though OP, just know that these same people are likely the kind of people that go to bed at night and cry really hard while biting their pillows because not even their own parents love them.
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If you think turtling g the flag is all the team being discussed in this thread was doing youâre the one who needs help.
Go read the op. His team got rolled thru, and instead of winning the game the other team held the flag and spammed their chat for 30 mins. Thatâs griefing. Why is it that in this case you seem to think the answer is to git gud, why couldnât the people in the cave do that?
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10 v 10 vs 40 v 40.
10 player teams will not likely have 10 AOE dpsâers (typically 3-4 max from my experience).
40 player teams will likely have 20+ AOE dpsâers.
Do you even math? Is this that hard to understand basic math?
So you think 3-4 dps AOEâing is just as bad as 20+ dps aoeing?
You do realise the change you are asking for is in retail with timed games. Please do not add this pos mechanic to our Classic bgâs. I often enjoy the 30-45 min back and forth 2/2 close games.
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Against 10 players, that is also close to half of the other team, which is not insignificant. Also, they are a premade, on comms, probably with consumables and goblin sappers.
The problem isnât with the team choosing to turtle, even though thatâs a garbage thing to pull if the other side doesnât also have your flag. The problem is they turtled up and then dropped and picked up the flag over and over for an extended period of time for the express purpose of being jerks to the opposing side.
Doing something with the express purpose of being an annoying jerk, especially for any significant amount of time, is literally the definition of griefing. Defending that kind of behavior is defending people being jerks for the soul purpose of being a jerk. Why would you defend that kind of behavior unless you also enjoy participating in it?
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As long as the efc remained in a position on the map that they are attackable, this is completly 100% legit. Blizz added times games and fc debuffs to remove this behaviour. No one ever had action taken against them for doing so.
Um⌠First off the team that was camping the cave was the horde. . . It was very rare that anything resembling a real premade was in AV horde side. So the fact you said
is beyond laughable.
Next - if a âpremadeâ wants to tank their own HPH thats on them. Just saying.
Nice of you to try to claim im a part of that - i have yet to do anything close to this. My point here (that you apparently cant understand) is that it was not grieving. Hard stop.
There is ZERO reason for someone to cry to daddy blizz to fix something that isnt broken. Based on the fact that this is inside a BG - blizzard wont do anything about it. There is no abuse of mechanics or terrain for them to care about.
Edited to add - You have a 34 avg parse in bwl⌠why am i even arguing with you. You probably think it needs to be nerfed to make it easier for you.
Let me stop you there champ. I am not referring to your little AV scenario about cave camping. Itâs irrelevant to the conversation. Regardless how I feel about Blizzardâs take on it, they made a decision and that is what it is. I am talking about WSG here and only WSG. Care to try again?
First off - says the class that uses shadowbolt spam as their DPS rotation. But no, do please make fun of my one and only recorded parse in BWL for Classic. And maybe while you are frantically digging through all of my parses you could realize I am a tank, and not DPS⌠oooh⌠sad that your little insult there doesnât stick.
So that leaves me with one question. Why do you feel the need to be a raging jerk to complete strangers online? Is it because you didnât get enough hugs as a child? Did Daddy never tell you he was proud of you? Inquiring minds would love to know!
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Hey im in this thread and i know how to fight a turtle! I just dont really care to.
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I donât have a problem with the turtle. I have a problem with people exhibiting behavior with the sole purpose of being a jerk to other people. What else is the point of spamming the drop and pickup? Especially when said streamer is giggling about it like a 12 year old who thinks itâs cool to stick fire crackers in the nether regions of frogs and watch them hop away and explode.
I donât understand the incessant need to defend that kind of behavior? The only reason I can see for doing it is because you literally like participating in the same kind of rubbish conduct. But hey, whatever, please do keep being jerks to each other so that Blizzard eventually does decide to crack down and change mechanics, just like they changed the graveyards.
It amazes me the number of people that cry for no changes who are often the driving force for them. The lack of self awareness is mind numbingâŚ
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I wonder if players can report the player doing it for spamming/disrupting chat channels. Might be a way to deter the behaviour.
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This is undeniable logical. Especially when it involves what is obviously disruptive play. If what the OP describes was happening (and I havenât investigated streamers on Twitch so I donât know the details) it does seem to be to be obstructionist and disruptive play. That pretty well fits the description of what Blizzard doesnât like in their Code of Conduct (which has fairly vague parameters for good reasons) and its the sort of thing that has got them reacting previously.
They can do one of two things - announce it as actionable and ban or suspend anyone who does it, or take a game approach of, for example, not allowing premades into any Classic bg. That would disadvantage people who just want to play with their friends and run battlegrounds the way they are supposed to be played. Thats often sadly the result of such moves.
PS, as a personal note, it would be really nice if people could respond to the topic/comment and not the person (as in, reduce it to negative personal comments). Thatâs the sort of thing that drives people away from the forum, just as negative behaviour drives them away from the game.
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I donât even know how Warcraft logs determines that stuff man. I can assure you, I only tank. Thatâs not a lie, itâs literally all I do. So sorry but Warcraft Logs are wrong? Second, I help my guild just fine, in a tanking roll, because itâs all I do. Please find any fight in those logs were I was not wearing tank gear. Iâll wait.
The shadowbolt spam jab is just that, it had nothing to do with comparing your parses to the parses of Warriors. The point was, itâs not hard to play a Warlock in Classic.
Nah, Iâm not gonna sit and trade ad hominems with you boy. I lost my oldest son just a few weeks ago. Thatâs guaranteed the deepest pain anyone will ever feel, losing a child. Nothing you say could ever hurt my feelings. Keep your insults to yourself, theyâre 100% waisted on me.
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lol, Thinking I care about parses. Thatâs a good one.
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No it does not. Maybe you should look into it a little deeper yourself.
Care to educate me then? Tanks i have raided with are always listed as tanks (except our âoh crap furyâ tank for moments when the other 2 die)
I thought your spec determined what it lists you as too. Before I switched to winters chill spam it showed arcane for me because I was Arcane power.
Maybe I just donât take this game seriously enough.
WCL determines a âtankâ based on abilities used - its an evolving code and earlier it was determined by % of melee hits taken. Nothing with the Classic API shares spec data so wcl needs to guess. I have been ranked as a tank on luci (98 parse) as dw fury because i pulled aggro on an add and took 2 melee hits.
Link to the current discussion about the code/changes:
Link to my âtank parseâ as fury dps:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RJLFqzfkmG6WvQZY#fight=8&type=damage-done
Screenshot of damage taken:
Screenshot of parse if you too lazy to look:
And finally a screenshot of the Classic spec detection issue raised by Kihra - who runs WCL:
Not sure what to tell you then man, considering this is my spec https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/classic-warrior-pve-tanking#impale-prot-17-3-31 and I never once left the instance to respec. In fact I havenât respecced since December. So I guess the logs are buggy.
You know you keep asking if I want a pissing contest and thatâs funny to me, because I am not sure why you would think thatâs the case. No, I really donât care about your parses man. It was a jab at you for jabbing me. So ya know⌠to try to move this back in a constructive direction, I will apologize for making fun of your one button rotation. Itâs not your fault that you are stuck with it, thatâs how Vanilla was. Also I am sure you provide your tanks with Warlock Cookies, which are genuinely awesome, so on behalf of tanks everywhere: thank you.
No, I donât want your pity either man. It was to point out the fact that nothing you will ever say to me will make me feel bad about myself, and to inform you that your attempts are just a huge waste of time. Also, I donât know where you got the impression I actually wanted to talk smack. I retaliated against you trying to make fun of my raid parses. lol
I would invite you to point out where I was asking for changes. Please do, because if I somehow suggested that I would like to see a change then I need to edit that comment as it was a typo. I am pretty much 100% against changes. I even disliked the AV cave change. The only âchangeâ I am for is 1.5 AV because that was still Vanilla and was more balanced in my experience, not to mention far more epic.
I invite you to check my post history as well.
My point was, this is crappy behavior, and we as a community should denounce it and self police so that we donât drive Blizz to implement more changes. We all know from the recent changes that Blizz wonât simply ban offenders, they will alter things so they donât have to spend the resources to police the behavior.
I mean⌠do we want timed WSGs? Because people doing crap like this is how we end up getting timed WSGs.
Edit: Swapped BG names
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