Grats Blizz, huge Alliance groups roaming the world, now fix your servers for outdoor PvP

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This has been a problem since the original Tarren Mill/South Shore zerg fests.

Sadly, 14+ years later and you still can’t have 2 large groups in the same place fighting. Unless 2+ second delays (not counting GCD) to everything and watching players’ characters lurching/skipping/blinking across the screen is the goal.

I doubt it’s not most of our computers or internet connections either. In my case, i usually have 15ms latency, and framerates 80+ even in the middle of big pop fights.

Also, I don’t know what metrics you are using to determine the current war mode bribe system, but it’s looking more like a permanent one for one side. The Horde leaving war mode on all the time and the alliance not, has to be skewing those numbers.

Not a fan of the camping at places like the Aviash flight to the ship to finish the Assault either. Attacking players trying to take off or having them down 1/4 HP by the time they zone in from the flight seems strange. I don’t care if a large group spends their time camping the Tortollan/CoA quests or the Tortollan flightpaths either. I don’t have to go there. I DO have to take that flight to the ship in Vol’dun and flight back to get quest complete though. If I didn’t I would use my whistle to get off the ship.

Do any of the horde NPCs attack a hostile faction like the endless respawn zerg of guards in Arom’s Stand? I am confused why an Assault quest would even be in the middle of a large Alliance town in Drustvar. Their graveyard is right there in town, ours is 1/2 way across the map. Same for that one down the hill from the town. Any battle gives an advantage to the corpse run race. Put the quests equal distances from both factions graveyards.

While you are at it, take a look at the GY placement in Dazar’alor. There were some alliance on the docks and they were getting back to their bodies almost as fast as we were. Home field advantage seems lacking there. :wink:

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“This thing that was fine when I was doing it is now broken when it’s happening to me!”

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I have to admit the lag fest 50v50 in world pvp at the assaults are pretty nostalgic.

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What was I doing? Was I getting a big bribe in loot, resources, gold and azerite power to do it?

Frankly, there has always been a huge alliance over pop on my server even after it was merged with another server, the balance was at least 5/1 in favor of the alliance. In spite of the players from many different servers now in BfA, I don’t recall any groups farming flightpaths, pathing between quests farming alliance kills, etc.

Why did it take such a huge bribe for the Alliance to go war mode in the first place? Where were they when we both got the same buff?

Even now it is very hard to get enough Horde players to group up enough to fight the 20-35 alliance player zerg fests for assault. If they do, they bail out soon after smashing the alliance and wander off. Forget about anyone bothering about the flightpath camping in Kul’Tiras on a normal day.

I guess you skipped over the parts about the server lag issues, assault quest placement favoring one side over the other, etc.

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I didn’t skip it. You’re unhappy that the Alliance is getting something you aren’t getting. But somehow this is only a problem when it’s happening to you and wasn’t a problem when it was Horde wrecking the Alliance.

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Where were we? We were being farmed by horde raids, then turning wm off.

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Okay and that’s your shard.

My shard usually has 3/4 Horde raids per 1 Alliance raid. It wasn’t even that in favor for the Alliance before the Alliance bonus.

Thats the norm across most shards.

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LOL what wrecking? Not around here at least.

I will repeat my question since you are skipping that as well. Why did it take such a huge buff and extra loot to get the Alliance to flag? Where was the ability to make alliance raids when the buff was the same?

I guess the supposed Horde farming was okay to “defeat” it by turning off war mode. I guess it wasn’t important to you until you got paid extra to do it.

I have bounced to other instances to get the elite quests done and still see big zergs there too. At least then we can fight back, even though they wait until we are fighting the boss to attack.

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We were JUST saying the same thing last night. It’s like when you had to be careful and spread out lest the server shut down.

I don’t think we’ll get rid of this. FP camping and screwing up the assault for the opposite faction is in full swing…and to be honest, it’s fun on either end from the way we see it in our group.

The assault on Voldun was an absolute Horde on Alliance massacre. It took us forever to corpse-drag our way to finishing that assault. Excellent shenanigans. The assault in Drustvar yesterday was total payback, and it was equally horrific for the Horde there as it was for us the previous day in Vol’dun.

It’s annoying. It’s frustrating. The FP camping can be absurd…but I don’t see it going away.

Yes. OMG. What is that place in Drustvar…Fizzcrank? The goblin outpost above Corlain. Anyway, OMG yes. The guard Zerg was unreal and followed us nearly back to Arom’s. I was the bounty yesterday, and we tried to get up to some no good by following Hordelets to their FP since Arom’s was just butchery and less fun.

So, yes, the guard Zerg is unreal for us, too.

That said…

You are 100% correct, sir. Our GY is so close to Dazor’Alor. I think it’s a shared GY, actually. The PvP turn-in area is literally just across the street from where we rez when we hit that city, so if we Zerg the PvP turn-in (or even one-man it), we are literally right on our corpses when someone drops us.

I agree. You have a definite point here. They should fix it.

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What a strange question. “Why do people only do things if they’re getting rewards for it?”

It’s a video game. Why would anyone do something that didn’t get a reward?

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What a strange answer. Why was the buff/reward that was the same for the Horde as the Alliance not enough for the Alliance?

There now appears to be more than enough Alliance in war mode, when these same players could have been doing it before.

I guess some (many?) feel that extra handouts are necessary to do something?

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Again, you’re just unhappy that the Alliance is getting something you aren’t. The Horde gets lots of stuff the Alliance doesn’t. Relax.

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sigh I am trying to make the point that nobody should be getting extra freebies to do the same content.

“lots of stuff”? What does the horde get? Some mounts that don’t fly? Who cares about some faction specific mount/pet achievement? I have no idea what stuff the alliance gets and I don’t care. Different factions get different stuff, no news there.

Now if you told me that the horde got extra stuff for doing the same dungeons, raids, assaults, world bosses, etc., that would be a different story.

Do we get 20% more extra AP, gold, resources, exp for leveling alts, AND extra 370 gear for doing ANYTHING?

If you want to ignore Alliance bias enjoy yourself. The list is long regarding the Alliance QQing and getting things changed since the early days.

Not to mention the base bias that is still in BfA. look no further than the long and difficult quest chain to get a rare pet named Ba’al in BfA. Take a look at the requirements.

The Horde have to go to Boralus three times, once in the center and to an alliance tower with lots of NPCs.

But that’s okay, the alliance have to go to…Boralus …three… times…

Hey, wait a minute! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Fake news.

If that was true it would be even now but it isn’t. There’s a huge disparity.

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Again, though, you didn’t have a problem when it was happening to the Alliance. You’re only upset that it’s happening now.

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Again though, you don’t have a problem with a big bribe going the the alliance when it never went to the horde. Apparently it never will in the future either.

What was happening to the Alliance before exactly? Same war mode buff, the same opportunity to group up against the Horde, that has now been proven was possible back then.

Where were the alliance before the big bribe?

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Yes, this is probably something they need to think about and try to deal with. There are issues though even with the technology they have today.

All we know is it is region wide and whichever side has more people in the region won’t see the quest or the 30%. I dunno what you’re basing your argument off of that horde are turning off warmode frequently, but if they are outnumbered in the region then it would swap.

Ion seems pretty confident that it never will, and I am guessing they sat down and looked at the number of horde vs alliance that have had WM on since it launched and he knows that horde seemingly always have more people. That’s all we have to go on for that.

Things like this or worse have happened since world PvP in Wow started (day 1 I am pretty sure). I think it’s actually part of why (maybe the main reason) they ditched traditional pvp servers for WM. Now it’s completely optional for every single player and everyone has the opportunity to participate or not if they find it isn’t fun. What’s the saying? If you can’t stand the heat then don’t tickle the dragon.

Sometimes it won’t be fair for either side. It’s a big world after all. I’d suggest getting some friends and finding an alliance FP to camp and share the pain if you want, or opt out of WM/avoid places with known high traffic when you have it on (like around assaults).

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It’s sad Alliance overlook this question. Blizzard really needs to rethink the way this bonus is given and put it on a rotation. And no, I have not taken advantage of this, I swore I would never turn it on and haven’t.

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You guys at Horde was desperate for more alliance.
The Alliance didn’t ask any bribe, but since the Devs decided to make it more rewarding, instead of more balanced and fun as I encourage the participation of all members of the Alliance, to do the horde mode and, now that you have what you want, you’re whining!

I thought wpvp was fun by simple participation!
When the situation was bad for the Alliance, by massive disinterest faction by wpvp , I haven’t seen anyone in the horde worrying about balance for the Alliance!

Now you get more than handle, not can organize to fight?

I think it’s weird that a faction that many members of the Horde are clamoring to be formed by children of 12 years old, are put horde to run!

well, if it’s any consolation, I don’t participate in wpvp or war mode.
It’s less 1 player against you!

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Last I checked, it was still horde mode. Waiting at a WQ for it to respawn, 2 hordes show up and attack me. I quickly kill the WQ just as it respawns and another 10 horde run in…
Well too bad all of them are waiting for the respawn now, while I just run to the next WQ

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