Knowing Horizons for ten years, that is an assumption instead of truth. He doesn’t queue just to ‘pwn noobs’. He queues to play the game (in fact, I doubt you’d see him queueing if he wasn’t already done with everything arena-related for the season). I don’t understand why you are using logical fallacy to make him seem like his stance is inherently flawed when he simply doesn’t want every BG that he queues to be against premades or partial premades, which, admittedly has become a majority of epic BGs at the end of Shadowlands. This will likely cease when DF is actually released until near the end of the PVP seasons when there’s nothing to do other than glad pushes.
you lost an AV zerg rush and now want to QQ?
You cant read and you’re still replying? 
oh no, im sure you said lots of lovely things about yourself, but then you let slip you just want to rush AV and got caught in a turtle. maybe learn how to play AV properly.
Huh? Not even sure what half of what you said is, I’m totally fine with playing an AV turtle if it isn’t against a 40 man premade calling targets and coordinating death grip swaps etc to demolish a pug team in 30 seconds.
it is insanely fun.
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Yeah sure is if you enjoy bullying people with 39 other players in voice, kind of the reason this thread has the title it has, eh?
if you honestly think we are playing like an RBG team, you can watch my stream, its mostly a lot of waiting around with talking and then more talking when a game does pop. im not making target calls nor are we doing heavy coordination in voice.
I said it earlier. Premades are basically just regular players who accept the idea of being led. Most are very casual players striving to have a good time and not be stuck arguing with a bunch of fatalists.
The quality of gameplay offered by premades in epic battlegrounds should be the standard. Premade provides the newer players with a wealth of information on how to play epic battlegrounds correctly. It really shouldn’t be taken away to promote the mindless gameplay often seen with current random epic battlegrounds.
Oh really? seems to me they are to be stuck around arguing, maybe you need some 
as well.
Epic bg premades provide nothing more than mindless gameplay, you’re teaching new players how to play epic bg’s wtih an unfair advantage against no voice randoms? are you even listening to what you’re saying?
there is no unfair advantage, everything i have access to, you have access to as well.
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I don’t know who uses voice, to be honest. We don’t. Generally, it’s just a leader who tells people where to go, their priorities, and such. And the players are open to following those orders without arguing or confusion.
I can’t stay. I understand why you’re being so hostile to someone willing to give you their honest point of view. You’re usually pretty chill, Horizons; I don’t know why you’re like this here.
you should, not for the coordination but for the social aspect.
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I’m not willing to risk my account being banned for exploiting just because I have access to something.
You’ve been told countless times over the months. But here you go again:
There is a cap on premade party size for random BGs and EBGs. It’s 5. Queue syncing to skirt the party size cap is, by definition, exploiting.
Also I find it really pathetic that you would threaten to use your numbers to falsely mass report someone for reporting your exploiting. All of these discussions have revealed you to be self-centered and toxic af. It’s a game, and there are rules to ensure most people have a fair experience, and you violate them for your own benefit.
I would argue that having 30% or more of the group willing to listen and follow instructions is an advantage. I would take a group of moderately geared players willing to listen over a group of gladiators all doing their own thing any day of the week. Especially in an Epic BG.
I just want to clarify some things, since this conversation has gotten a little dirty. I do not think that anyone mentioned here is doing this maliciously. I know that Inemia, Alec, and the other members here are all doing this for fun and everyone involved in their groups are having a good time. I know that when I see the usual suspects from SoD or SAS that they aren’t going to do anything toxic like GY camping or anything of the sort.
My argument simply is that stacking queues should not be allowed, and that there are clear advantages over a large premade over a PuG. I wish that Blizz would take a clear stance. Either come out and say “No this wasn’t intended and we are putting a stop to it” or say “We are opening up premades to a full party or raid group”
To be honest, if Blizz opens up Epic BG queues to allow for a raid to queue, then you’ll probably find me in the LFG tool looking for one. As it stands though, I have no interest in doing it currently.
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that is the facts, everything else is your opinion. you are trying to make up rules where none officially exist.
i didn’t threaten anyone with anything, i pointed out that falsely reporting people would result in retaliation. pointing out human behavior is not threatening you.
honor level 1536
251900 honorable kills
1599 2v2 rating
0 3v3 rating
0 10v10 rating
283 ilvl retribution pally
whining about premades? dont act brand new, and stop stop pretending the honor level means anything anyways, lol
worth noting here, because i KNOW youll go for the low hanging fruit, this toon is roughly a month old, hence the low numbers on it, so stay in your lane.
No wonder you fit in so well with some of the people in your community.
lol, nice delete, but i still saw what you said.
rating matters when contextualized.
the OP here is whining about premades, but has a low rating or no rating, meaning they’re complaining about randoms, which dont matter at all outside of achievements or honor farming.