This guy gets it. It’s not about the number, it’s about the act.
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This is completely within TOS.
It does not bring artificial gold into the economy, and does not sell in game items for real world money.
Blizzard cannot prevent people from making “friendship deals” across the two games. It is no different than one guy saying… hey I’ll come help you level in Classic if you come help me level in BfA.
While this MIGHT have negative impact on the game… that doesn’t make it against ToS.
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I am not sure what you mean ‘artifical gold’ - sure the gold is already in the economy and you are just shifting it around from player to player but the same thing applies to gold sellers. That isn’t a basis to determine whether something is against the ToS or not.
By linking the two games under one sub fee, blizzard is sort of creating a problem but they can also decide to treat this as a violation of the ToS since gold in the current game can be used for items of real $ value, i.e. tokens. There actually was information from blizzard as to that.
A game token costs 150,000g; there’s no way 1000g in classic is going to be valued at over a million gold in retail. Especially after the first couple months, it’ll settle down quite a bit.
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Still no answer
Where is the blue post at?
This thread demonstrates WHY we need a blue post NOW. Rules are very vague. Some people believe that it is allowed; others says it will likely get your account banned.
We don’t want a situation where behavior that is likely to occur is unknown whether players will get banned or not. People spend countless hours and money on their character, so a ban is a very serious and impactful thing.
A quick blue post could easily clear this up.
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Agreed just about all the posts are 100% fine or 100% violation
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If that were true, there’d be a lot more people punished. Trades get discussed outside the game as well as inside it.
Trading a good or a service makes sense. “Giving” gold would be flagged
Artificial meaning bringing in gold from another game or via real world money.
The first is not possible… the second is… via the gold sellers.
Giving anyone gold in this game is allowed. Giving anyone gold in BfA is allowed.
Doing it as a mutually beneficial arrangement is perfectly fine. Unless some illegal method to obtain gold is used like botting.
Blizzard probably doesn’t want to explicitly say it’s ok, but they won’t help if something goes wrong.
Because if something goes wrong with the trade, players will get upset saying Blizzard approved this… and now Blizzard needs to refund their missing gold.
Because players will claim they didn’t know they were doing a trade with a hacked account or a gold seller, and Blizzard said it was ok to do this anyways.
Allowed, yes. Internally flagged, quite likely.
There are a number of things in WOW that can get an account flagged and investigated that are, on the surface, allowed - but can be fronts for activities that are not allowed. An example is using a VPN or other IP hopping service. It can look like access from too many locations too quickly, a sign of account compromise or 3rd party leveling.
A clear in-game exchange for goods or services isn’t likely to get a flag. One account exchanging a large amount of gold for no obvious reason, is likely to get a flag and a review. On review, Blizzard may determine it was a player quitting and giving away their gold, or a pair of players who have interacted for years as friends, so nothing comes of it. But they’re not blind to the tricks of people who are gold-selling/buying.
From personal experiences with not just classic but most of the games I played. I trust no one, sad state to live in but its the truth. if I can get it directly from the AH or sell it on the AH that to me is the only legitimate way to get gold or your item.
any side deals with people almost always go south in a hurry…
I’ll take this discourse over the addon discourse of the last couple days any day.
The EULA is vague and it depends entirely on how Blizzard chooses to interpret it. Would be nice if they gave an answer even if it’s just “you won’t get banned but don’t expect us to restore your gold if you get scammed” which is what I’d expect. For those that don’t like the idea of this, I think that would be enough to prevent most people from doing it unless it was with a friend.
This one will never be answered. Gold isn’t entering the market and $200 is going into blizzard’s pocket. They would secretly hope people do this yet would never say it.
So many people in here acting like they hold PhDs in economics, it’s hilarious. I have two major points -
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The swapping shouldn’t be encouraged, and should probably be disallowed, but it wouldn’t actually affect the in-game economy. There is no creation of gold[0] as gold that already exists is simply being exchanged between two parties. Think of it this way - If you have some national-level economy (say the U.S.), and a rich individual gives a poor individual $10 million, the overall economy, at a macroeconomic level, is unchanged. It’s insignificant. Even if that occurs several times to multiple different people you might see slight fluctuations in the demand for certain items based on individual preferences, but not enough to warrant prices going up from say 5g to 1000g for those items like some of the “experts” in here have been claiming.
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People also need to realize that there will always be some conversion rate from Classic to Modern WoW gold if it’s allowed. Think for a minute before you say “No one would ever trade their classic gold!11! why would they!111??111” The question is just what the ratio of that exchange will be. Since you can pay for a sub with Modern WoW gold it has some value to a Classic player. Overtime that ratio will change as more gold enters the Classic economy. It’s very possible to earn 50-200g per hour in classic, with the lower-bound of that range being possible in the high 30’s / low 40’s for mages. Within 2 months or so of release I would expect to see trades of about 100,000 gold in modern WoW for 100 gold in classic.
So stop saying it wouldn’t happen, and stop acting like it would disrupt the economy. The only meaningful impact that warrants it being disallowed is that it ruins (on an individual level) one of the core concepts of the game, earning gold.
[0] - Which can happen with Modern WoW token sales if price fluctuations cause a token price to go down from its original listing price. However, this would not impact gold exchanged on the classic servers.
No blue post yet?? Bump for justice!
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You’re misinformed.
The gold IS being created.
Say that I want to play WoW but can not afford my subscription fee. So I go and spend three days grinding a thousand gold. Then I go and sell that gold to someone for retail gold so I can get a WoW token.
Because I desired that subscription fee more than my time, I put in extra hours to earn that gold that I would not have otherwise earned had I not had the incentive to do so to get free game time.
If I couldn’t get free game time by grinding gold, I would have spent my time doing something else - maybe running some dungeons.
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NO. You are missing an extremely important part of the trade. It is NOT giving one person an advantage. It is switching an advantage from one person to another. No advantage is created and the economy will not change in the slightest because of it. Person A already has the 1000g making them have an “advantage” and that is simply transferring to Person B with 0 gains or alterations to the economy.