then go back to retail
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you go back to vanilla classic.
how about tbc stays as it is and you go back to retail.
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go back to classic
too late. tcc has already changed plenty. for the better. dual spec would also improve the game. sorry, it is what it is
not much has changed at all. boosting? mount? is that all you got? lol
Weāre trying, but your trying to stop us with these suggestions of changes.
Haha I had to look that term up!
No seriously, your mom and I just want the best for you. We respect your take on dual-spec and tbh could even be convinced that itās not a bad thing for TBCCā¦but the constant insinuation that those who object are trolls, really is misplaced. I guess Iāve said my peace on this, itās up to you now how you choose to leave the nest. 
I played with a boostie a few hours ago, they were even a healer. They were actually better than some healers Iāve had in T2 gear. I donāt mind people who boost or playing with them, but I do hate that it was added in the first place. Certainly wonāt blame people for using it though. $40 in exchange for saving over 100 hrs of time is gonna be worth it to people. I just prefer they know how to play their spec before hopping into a dungeon.
But anyway its more than just the boost, the mount affects me as well. How on Earth does a cosmetic item affect me you ask? What if I think it looks cool and wanna go get it myself? I ask where to get it. I get told spend $70. Pretty crappy. Not to mention it gives players a mount in the game. Mounts are important in Classic, now your getting one that scales with riding speed for doing absolutely nothing inside of the game. It boils down to pay to win. Similar to the boost.
Nah, takes away from spec identity and waters down class choice. Why ever play a class that can only dps if dual spec is in the game and I can play a druid/paladin and do any role I want whenever I want at no cost to myself?
Not to mention you want to talk about how bad boosties are, a player that levels as dps and then swaps to tank for a dungeon isnāt going to suddenly be good at tanking because dual spec is in the game. Itāll be just like getting a boosty who has never tanked in their life to tank for you. Or youāll get the ret paladin who swaps to prot and uses his 2h weapon. That sounds fun too.
No, that would be respeccing.
Any character can be whatever spec they want for 10 minutes of gold farming.
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Dude when people want me to tank I make them pool together and pay for my respec, and it works, every single time.
If you are a sought after godly dps or pvper, make others pay for your service. If youāre good at something, never do it for free my lad.
I agree whole heartedly with this. Iāve always thought that dual spec was the start of taking away role playing out of WoW entirely, and making it so every class can fill every role. If everyone can do it then the characters literally have no identity in the game.
This is the point we went from āhey I know a tank named Jimbob, heās really good, let me invite himā to āwell, letās just see whoās in the mood for tanking todayā
Noone is special anymore and you being a tank or healer no longer means the same thing. The sense of community has eroded. This just isnāt what a role playing game is. I think this is one of the main things wrong with the current game.
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I wish they would do something different entirely. Add a simple feature that allows you to respec only when entering instanced PvP. If you do arena or BGs, youād set a spec for that, so when you enter it swaps to that spec automatically, and when itās over it reverts back.
PvP vs PvE respeccing is the issue I have most. If you are your guildās MT on your pally but Holy for your arena team, thatās a lot of swapping over the course of an expac for different content.
The argument that it takes away from Roleplaying elements is the most absurd made up excuse on these forums. That argument is basically saying because Iām a paladin for instance, and have Dual Spec, I have currently a Holy and a Prot spec. That argument is saying because you gave the Paladin dual spec, they are now all of the sudden using both prot and holy at the same time.
Which is justā¦so wrong of a justification. Because the option to respec is ALWYAYS there, it is core game design. The only gate is gold. That doesnāt mean someone who is currently in uhh PVP spec for instance, is special because they are in PVP spec, it is because they are 25 or 30 or 50g away from being whatever spec they want to be. They are a Paladin. As a Paladin they are always a Ret, a Holy or a Prot paladin (or some hybrid spec) regardless of Dual Spec, they can be all of those things and have only 1 active at a time. Giving them the option to carry a switch doesnāt make them any better than they were before, they just save 50g.
You are always every role or every spec your class can be, thereās just a world where you pay to change it every time, or a world where you pay up front to be able to change it going forward.
So in your scenario of jimbob. If Jimbob was a tank, and you hit up Jimbob to tank, if dual spec were not in the game, he could say. I feel like healing today, I just paid and respecced to Holy. If dual spec were in the game, he could say, I feel like healing today, Iām holy today.
Jimbob is still the same player, with the exact same roleplaying decision power in both scenarios. One is just cheaper (if you swap enough).
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But at least there is a cost and an inconvenience for him to swap roles. If you can literally meet someone standing outside a dungeon and say āhey can you swap to tank spec real quick?ā, thatās where the sense of roleplaying is lost, and where the sense of value in specific roles is lost as well. Paying for the respec as it is in tbc now at least has a cost to it, and you canāt walk around playing multiple roles at the same time as it is in current.
And the main problem with losing the roleplaying aspect isnāt just because I want to live in a fantasy world (which is part of it, itās a fantasy game), itās that it devalues players who choose specific roles. With the way tbc is thereās at least a cost to your decision, and in that way your decision to play a tank or healer or dps has an impact on what you can and canāt do in the game. I highly doubt you want to go into town and pay 50 gold every time you decide āhey, I think Iāll fill this role today insteadā, I know I donāt and wonāt. The cost and inconvenience of not being able to just swap on the spot was put there for a reason, and that reason was to add value to players who choose that role.
And, noā¦ itās not a āmade upā excuseā¦ What do I have to gain from lying to you and making up reasons? Itās not like Blizzard is going to add it to the game based on what the forums are saying. Iām legitimately stating my opinion, as you are as well. Iām not going to call someoneās opinion āabsurdā or āmade upā because I disagree with it.
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Okay, so dual spec for everyone except RP realms. Problem solved.
This is why Dual Spec has never been free. It is a hefty cost up front to save in the long run, that is a decision everyone must face. āDo I think I will really respec say 20 or 40 times to justify spending 1k or 2k gold?ā
Inconvenience for the sake of RP elements is always going to be about give and take, how much is good or bad, the facts are the facts, itās 2021, while Blizz wants to cater to the old school crowd, a large chunk of TBC is a crowd of a new era and new age. Some conveniences are good if you are allowing more players to get into content and enjoy it and the trade off is about 5 minutes and 50 gold to go change a spec. ehhh I think that one is a reasonable request. Itās almost like some (not all, just some) people like to feel a little ā¦special themselves because they think they are so old school, so tough because they take the burden of ā¦hearthing, clicking their mouse 61 times and spending half an hours worth of gold makes them so awesome. Itās just funny.
50 people yet I see 260 replies here , SOMEONE is lying to me.
I would say not only does dual spec hurt class identity it actually hurts the community of a game.
Scaracity creates demand.
If dual spec was in the game my guild would have a soft expectation that you can do whatever we ask you to do. If we need a tank, you better have your tank set ready/enchanted/ & gemmed or we are going to find someone who does and replace you. This is what it means to be in a competitive enviroment.
Right now we have no expectations of people having two gear sets and swapping specs regularly due to the cost of doing so, instead we will recruit a new player who can fill the nieche we need, expanding our roster, and meeting new people in the process.
Who knows, maybe making new friends along the way because their was a mutual need that brought us togetherā¦ ah but retail brains wouldnāt understand that sort of thing.
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So many bait topics lately. Bad trolls are bad. No dual spec is needed.
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