it would help with faction balance, plus theres lore
No. People should be shut down. That’s the problem with discourse these days. Everyone has to be validated and no one is wrong. You never fix anything that way. I would strongly suggest trying to learn how to have a conversation and perhaps understand how to be humbly correct and understandingly wrong.
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lets suppose that they nerf way of earth and dual rockbiter in some way . what do shaman actually have in terms of defenses or getting to a target?
we are running at the same speed as everyone else and frost shock is 20 yard range.
if we can get to you to cast frost shock maybe we can slowly close the gap as you run away and frost shock drs itself.
our grounding totem get 1 spell if you dont instantly wand it (it has 5 hp) .
decoy totem is nice but doesnt stop stuns (blackout stun / any stun from pallies/ any stun from rogues/ arcane damage stun from boomkin).
without it we die as easy if not easier than everyone else cause we have to face tank everything .
yet there are 3 classes currently that can tank the 1-2 shots from other classes. pallies (bubble) priest (dispersion) and shaman (way of earth) .
what about those other two?
does nobody care about them either?
i will agree way of earth with dual wield rockbiter is out of wack , but what are you giving them in return ? 30% shamanistic rage that can be used while stunned?
what exactly are you taking and giving shaman?
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At least your blessings are 10m now. Imbues are still stuck at 5.
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Lol I didn’t see you begging for shaman in P1 when they were absolute garbage.
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That is very alliance of you to want to shut the other faction’s opinions.
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I personally think all of their utility is just fine. What needs to be fixed is their damage output. That’s it. I don’t think anything needs to be changed with their utilities other than some number adjustments.
Well there is the problem, their toolkit is nothing and if you take their damage off then they don’t exist.
Paladins on the other hand are VERY BALANCED with toolkit and damage, I would say the toolkit is WAY TOO POWERFUL with stacking many pallies.
Gotta move on from this.
the damage while using way of earth dual rockbiter is out of wack.
thats absolutely it.
if they fix that without gutting the class somehow it will be ok but they really need to make shamanistic rage useable while stunned and maybe bump it to 30%.
The thing is their overperformance can be compared to other classes who were performing well above what they should, such as Melee Hunters.
Now, I don’t want to nerf them in a way that makes them undesirable, but they shouldn’t have the ability to negate most CC and also bomb someone within a global at both melee and range. No class can claim to enjoy such a robust, rounded viability in MULTIPLE areas.
My only qualm with Ele is the Flame Shock/Lava Surge combo. Maybe 2 or 3 classes can dispel magical effects. Everyone else just has to wait and eat a 1k-1.5k Lava Surge because there’s absolutely nothing they can do about it.
There’s no counter play to it for most classes.
pallies can do this while completely immune to everything for 10 or is it 12 seconds.
ele caves to melee pressure easily as its damage is all hard cast and can be kicked with impunity .
range classes dont even need to worry as much cause flame shock is 20yard range and they cant get the combo off unless they run in range (while you rain down on them) and then hardcast (counter spell works wonders here).
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I would argue most of the time bubble is used to recoup. I think it’s 10 sec at most. But I digress. I can see how it is powerful. The only argument is that they of course have to be in melee range to deal their damage for the most part. Shamans have the option to ghost form and cast to at least play keep away.
So then we’re just going to be stuck in the ‘who nukes who first’ meta. It’s not good long term. I’m hanging on to the hope that the gear will make us beefy enough to offset some of this absurd damage.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want the garbo retail 10 minute fights because everyone has 10 defensives/heals and 4 or 5 mobility abilities, but erasing someone or being erased all the time is not fun gameplay.
Release the tbc.
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12 later on, pairs well with their 6 second stun. They can make it so you can’t hit them for 18 seconds…. Wild right?
naw,how about play shaman if you like shaman.
Eh 1 second cast that gets pushed back when engaged , and doesn’t prevent you being slowed. It’s not that useful. Also can be slowed below 100% unlike other classes, can’t be used inside like other expansions, and it not being instant cast lets you get kicked and sit there like an idiot.
I’d give you one more in that priests can dispel it. 
3 second cast that goes down to 1 second cast with talents nobody uses.
also , you cant do that while stunned.
this right here is why everyone wants to nerf shaman, they can survive the 1-2 shots and still output very good damage.
yet nobody talks about how priests and pallies can do it too.
it currently is the who nukes first meta and its garbage.
Oh Im doing my part to bring attention to priests. I leveled one to 40 and just dot people up at SM.
Very true but apparently alliance priests never dispel because otherwise the alliance wouldn’t complain that 
- our MSW instant cast can be dispelled, very annoying
- our ghost wolf dispelled
- and our decoy totem dispellable, just like freedom
Fought a spriest that put dots on me and only spam dispelled me so I couldn’t freedom slows in the bg and never could get an instant heal. Just waddled around oom. Crazy. Hitting buttons to counter your opponent.