Hey, just did a quick search. You’re on Blaumeux. Last I checked, Blaumeux is a PvP server.
You seem to be claiming that having these buffs removed ruins your gameplay.
Does it prevent you from entering the raid instance?
Does it make raid bosses impossible to kill?
Does it prevent you from interacting with quest NPCs, vendors, etc.?
If you truly feel that your gameplay is being ruined, then perhaps the dispeller is not the one with the problem.
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I don’t consider simply rezzing to dispell as many as you can before inevitably dying, with no expectation or possibility of winning, pvp lol.
Have you ever seen Infinity War?
Nope, but I’m pretty sure it didn’t involve Alliance players with a second account with Horde on it running a lvl 42 Shaman into Stormwind just to rez and purge and die and rez and purge and die other alliance players they don’t like 
if you don’t like dealing with enemy players in the world play PvE servers world PvP is trash anyway
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Griefing is pvp. It is the foundation which pvp is made on, and its reward is the salt mined in the forums and server discords
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Nah, I love pvp servers. I’m not complaining about gankers, I’m not even complaining about corpse campers. It’s this specific act, like suicide bomber mentality, with no goal other than to inconvenience other players.
Dispelling buffs is pvp. It makes the opposing faction take longer to clear raids and possibly get less geared because of it. Maybe a main tank gets dispelled and they dont make it to Kelthuzad because they are slower. Maybe the alt raid wipes a bunch because key members arent buffed and the opposing faction alts are weaker because of it.
You want the opposing faction to be less geared than yours when you are out in the world gathering materials or helping guildies quest.
Thats the beauty of vanilla wow, its all connected. Your actions have meaning.
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If you want hello kitty island adventure complete with guard rails there are perfectly good PVE servers for the sort of thing you’re looking for.
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Like Ganking?
Oh, we’re going in this direction 
When, you’re in a BG, and I was in the same BG, I would ensure to Purge all of your Buffs, as well, as the rest of my team eats you up. Purging is most definitely PvP, and PvP Servers are one giant BG!
EDIT: If I were to roll on a PvP Server, I’d rather be purged than ganked. That’s just me, though.
I cracked the F up at this thread. Thanks for this!
Wait wait wait. Do you mean completely UNREMOVABLE by a magic dispel ability or JUST with purge? I gotta know.
PvP on its own, no matter how cruel or lame or douchey that it is, is not griefing. There are exactly zero bans that should go out solely because of dispelling. The only reason they should be banned is if they are terrain exploiting to safespot dispelling or something along those lines.
Otherwise this type of nuisance is just part of a PvP server. It’s the equivalent to ganking which, if we used your broad definition of it, would also fall under textbook griefing since it impedes on player’s fun.
The best part about this is that Naxx isn’t even tuned around you having WBuffs.
It is not and Blizzard has always been firm about this. You are objectively wrong about this. It’s not a debate, it’s not a gray area, it’s not even something that should be seriously discussed. Without something like a terrain exploit PvP on its own merit is not griefing. I can literally camp you for 24 hours straight and Blizzard will not action me for it.
If it was we’d see bans for players who went to extreme ganking lengths and that’s literally never happened. Not to mention some GM banned a player for dispelling and then reverted it (and I want to say fired that GM). Regardless the revert of a ban for dispelling puts them on record for their thoughts on whether it’s griefing or not.
Just going to point out that you don’t get to decide that. The only caveat to this entire dispel debacle is the extreme toxicity it creates in the playerbase.
To that extent making debuffs undispellable should be considered IMO, but not because you’re being griefed and those people should be banned for it. That’s not how Blizzard has ever operated. In fact the mantra of PvP happened on a PvP server has stood the test of time since Vanilla through to Shadowlands. They’ve literally never wavered on this. Being flagged means you have to deal with the consequences of it.
But you know what? Players are douchebags. Even if you get undispellable WBuffs you’re going to have guilds form around the goal of forming large groups to gank players running to raids. Lots of non-dispellers enjoyed doing this in early days of MC/BWL and without being able to dispel they’ll double down on it pretty much guaranteed. That’s fine IMO because it promotes a healthy PvP server, but don’t think just because you make WBuffs undispellable that all your problems are going to go away.
Name one instance where someone got banned strictly for PvP.
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I’m more responding to what you’re saying then arguing about dispelling in general on PVP server. Yes, people do it to annoy. As I said in another thread I don’t do it because I find it as boring as grey ganking.
With that being said do the people who do this really think that removing the Songflower and the DMT buffs from a few members does this much harm to a raid? It’s likely enough a DPS will pull trash aggro right away and die. As for the main well, for the most part, they will use a guilds summoning network avoiding most of this and if they get dispelled they will get the buffs again. I guess that could waste 10 minutes of a raids time if totally needed but that’s about the most that will happen. These dispellable buffs are not that strong.
If people are actually thinking they are affecting guilds progress I guess I could see why they spend all day as a ghost sitting there waiting for someone to hearth or whatever with buffs… but really it’s just pissing off that one guy it’s not really harming the raid group. I thought the mentality was like that of a grey ganker, it’s a waste of time but it’s annoying that one person.
Do you know what actually harms raid groups? Getting wiped in front of the raid instances and losing every buff. Which the alliance vs horde wars are a memorable part of a PVP server experience. For that matter the rogues etc that sit at portal areas and the like and take away all the buffs are doing a lot more harm, but those players actually need to know at least somewhat how to fight. So for those who are bad at PVP I guess dispelling is a good option to think they are making a “difference” just like grey ganking.
But muh parses!!!
Parses are the only reason anyone cares at this point. The true enemy is Warcraft Logs.
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I think the people who really get off on dispelling people are doing it for a one or more of a few reasons
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They like the concept of messing with and aggravating people thinking it’s generally good for the server to have these kinds of spats that promote WPvP shenanigans and faction hate. This can range from just a little bit to the full blown toxicity in that they sleep well at night knowing people were yelling at their screens about getting dispelled or ganked and losing their buffs.
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They think the WBuff meta goes against the classic nature of the game and is genuinely bad for the game. They may even be in full support of WBuffs not working in raids.
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They just like to waste people’s time. Kind of similar to how whenever my warlock was getting ganked I didn’t fight back and would dance and when I got high enough level to not get one shot I sacc’d my VW and would fear spam them without trying to run away. You’re going to kill me at some point for sure, but it won’t be a 10 second kill and you mount back up to go look for your next victim, you’re going to spend a minute or more doing this and it’s gonna feel like you’re wasting your time with me.
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No. It’s about salt mining. Forum threads and Discord posts are the currency by which reputations are built.
That’s PVP in a nutshell. Sounds like what you want is some kind of code of honor that you subscribe to. PVE servers are where you can set those up.
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Yeah I mean I get that in a way. When I played Vanilla I ganked anything that moved and would run around the map ganking. I got a rep for that and I also had a forum rep where people liked me so I had the ally players that hated me and the ally players that liked me.
I even found this in the realm connection thread 15 years later: “And who can forget Mootwo ganking us ???”
Anyway, I tried doing the same in Classic and I just wasn’t interested. So I thought about it and I was like why am I not interested in this anymore and it came down to well I’ve grown up. I’m still a big fan of PVP servers and PVP in general but this kind of stuff (which amounts to just attention-seeking) is no longer fun to me.
For those that actually find this fun, that’s fine. I’m not personally advocating for changes. I’d rather do more challenging PVP and still have fun personally.
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They address this in TBC. In Classic, you’ll have to just deal with it. Raid content isn’t balanced around world buffs anyway. This wouldn’t be an issue if there wasn’t this toxic world buff meta anyway.
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